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N.Y. judge strikes down gay marriage ban

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rockets34Legend, Feb 4, 2005.

  1. Mulder

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    But there will also be kids that have less than others and get picked on because of it. There will always be a reason that kids get made fun of so that is unavoidable. It is a weak argument against gay people becoming parents.
     
  2. NJRocket

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    thats your opinion
     
  3. thegary

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    What else should I be
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    Everyone is gay
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    I don’t have the right
    What else should I be
    All apologies

    In the sun
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  4. Phillyrocket

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    Ultimately it is a choice. However the homosexuals with whom I have discussed this believe that for whatever reason they are naurally attracted to males over females although they can be attracted to females as well. The example they've given me: You remember those wet dreams you had during puberty? Theirs consisted of dreaming about the same sex. You think that was a choice?

    One friend of mine who is bisexual explains his preferences like this. When he sees another person he honestly doesn't see them as male or female, just as a person. He can find either attractive sexually.
     
  5. mc mark

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    thegary is that the Nirvana version? Or Sinead O'Connor?

    :D
     
  6. Batman Jones

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    NJ:

    I hear what you're saying, but I think it's less of a concern than it was ten years ago. Some (successful) political manuevering to the contrary, the trend is good. That's why young people poll in favor of equal rights for gays. Not more than thirty years ago you could have made the exact same argument against bi-racial couples adopting -- and it was certainly true that kids made fun of kids with bi-racial parents then. My sweet, late grandmother, a Jew, used to say in her later life that her attitude toward blacks had changed over her life -- that she had come to regard them as equal and welcome partners in society, but that she felt interracial marriage was wrong because it "wasn't fair to the kids."

    The question is, would you have made that argument then? And if so, looking back, would you have been right to do so?

    Children are not intuitively homophobic, as they are not intuitively racist. That's learned behavior. Rather than accepting homophobia as a fact of life, let's try and work toward eliminating it as we have been doing with relatively good success with racism these many years. Broad acceptance of homosexuality will happen, regardless of attempts to obstruct it -- it's a question of how quickly we're willing to get there.
     
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    Again, if it is a choice then I am left with more questions. At what point did you choose to be heterosexual? What kind of thinking went into your decision to be heterosexual?

    For me it was natural to be heterosexual, and I never had to choose that. It isn't hard to imagine nature has folks with different tendencies.

    But for a heterosexual who beleives that it is a choice, I'm curious to know what it was like making that decision.
     
  8. NJRocket

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    IMO, you choose that you are attracted to either a man or a woman. The same way you decide that you are more attracted to blondes or brunettes....blacks or whites....tall or short....fat or thin....different strokes for different folks.
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    I wonder if it is possible that some people choose and some don't. Do you remember the specific moment you chose to be attaracted to the opposite sex?

    I just always was attracted to the opposite sex, and didn't even think there was any other way.
     
  10. NJRocket

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    I think its a conscious decision when you decide to fol around with a guy because he turns you on or fool around with a girl because she turns you on...I know what you are getting at....and I don't buy into the "you are either born gay or straight" argument...
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    I understand you don't buy into it. But it is the only wayl that I know. For me a guy never turned me on, so I never made the choice.

    Girls always turned me on, so when I fooled around there was no question which sex it was going to be with. I made no choice about which sex could turn me on. The opposite sex did turn me on, and occupied my thoughts, the other sex didn't really enter into it.

    I think Science hasn't come down one way or the other definitively. I only know my own experience, which leads me to go in the born gay or straight side of things. It because you have a different view that I am curious about what it was like choosing.
     
  12. thegary

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    so what you saying is that NJRocket is gay? ;)
     
  13. FranchiseBlade

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    Not at all. I just know that I never made a choice. I was trying to find out some empircal evidence from somebody who did.
     
  14. thegary

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    i know you're not, i'm just foolin'. it just boggles my mind how people spend so much time worrying about other people's lifestyles. who cares?
     
  15. Rocket River

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    Men loving Men
    Women Loving Women
    natural

    Men Sexing Men
    Women sexing women
    not natural

    love is an emotion and at a base level i would
    hope it is natural for us to all love each other

    Sex is a biological funtion
    primarily used to procreate
    all the good feeling .. all the relaxation
    those are bi products to 'encourage' procreation

    So
    Homosexuality is not natural
    but
    neither is oral or anal sex
    neither are condoms. .. .

    at best it is like masterbation

    as an ASIDE the natrality of homosexuality
    should not be the basis of their rights
    So
    whether it is a choice of not is irrelevant

    My most major issues about Gay Marriage are this:
    1. Marriage should be the religious thing that is has always been
    it has NO PLACE in government
    2. From my understanding most of the major religions
    have issues with homosexuality . . to coopt their concepts
    for something they oppose is wrong

    It feels wrong to me
    Like Hitler having a bar Mitzpha [sp?]
    (which strangely enough may have happened since his
    father was Jewish)
    If you have hatred of Jewish People or basically going against their beleifs
    then wanna take their
    concepts and beleives for your own usage . .i think that
    is wrong . .. .
    esp when their is an alternative [Civil Unions]

    Rocket River
    for the record. . i do not hate Jew os homosexuals or anyone . . .
     
  16. NJRocket

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    i didnt start the thread poem boy
     

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