My thoughts on trading up to near the top of the draft

Exactly.



Notice how everyone ignores all those stats I put up of similar players rookie years.....yepp.......figures.

DD

 

Well, DD, I hope CBud lives up to your expectations, whether he's with us or not (unless he's on the Lakers).

Still, I'm guessing that CBud plus #14 for #5 would be considered a reasonable deal by most GMs, and I would pull the trigger on it. I would like to see DM do that, then trade up even higher.

 

ElPigito, don't worry CBud and the #14 isn't nearly enough to move up and get a top five pick. It would have to be one of the "proven" veteran core players, CBud and picks to get it done and even then it may not happen. This is a very very talented draft class unlike last years weak draft.

 

I get what your'e saying about proven players but I would trade C-Bud if we were able to somehow get an elite player. I wouldn't trade him just to trade him. I would roll the dice on Turner because he is the most NBA ready player in the draft. But Turner is a SG and we already traded for our SG.

C-Bud does fit very well on this team. I don't know what he's ceiling is right now because at this moment we don't know how much of a roll he'll have on this team come next and the year after. Will his minutes go up? We just don't know. If Battier is traded, I can see his minutes going up.

The only concern I have is his speed. He can dribble but I don't believe he has the speed like Ray Allen had in his prime. Overall he has a solid career ahead of him if he continues to work on his game and if he consistently grows each year. The great thing about Bud is he can shoot and that's very important for any team. Look at the NBA finals this year and you'll see what I'm talking about.

 

no kidding. i dont know who people think budinger is around here.

 

Who knows, he could be Reggie Miller, he could be Ray Allen, he could be Dale Ellis, he could be Joe Johnson, he could be anything.

Are you saying you DO know?

We do at least know that right now, at the age of 22 years old, he is a budding quality NBA player that does the one thing most important in the NBA score the ball effeciently.

Thank GOD the Lakers did not give up on Kobe, or the Pacers on Granger, or etc..etc..etc.....

DD

 

stop comparing him to greats. it doesnt make your opinion any stronger.

comparing budinger to any of those guys is being an absolute homer. in my breaks from this forum, i forget how irrational you can be.

 

I am comparing ROOKIE years, where they had similar stats, how can you ignore that?

Do you think all their fans were saying TRADE them after their rookie years?

Maybe, just maybe some people could learn some patience, and figure out that perhaps, Chase might be as good as some of them....if we just hold onto him and let him develop.

Let me ask you an honest question, where you one that wanted Brooks gone after last season?

Sell high after the Lakers playoff series, hmmm?

Because I recall the same stupid comments about getting rid of Brooks right as he started getting into being a quality PG...20ppg.....I mean you don't trade your best developing players UNLESS you are getting a star player...that is 100% ignorant.

 

Or the Rockets on Rodrick Rhodes. Or Kenny Thomas, or Bryce Drew, or etc..etc..etc.....

Oh, wait. The Rockets did give up on them.

Just because you don't know how good somebody is going to be, doesn't mean that they are going to get better. CBud could turn into Kenny Thomas.

 

no. i'm the one that told you all steve francis was done, despite what he did in the phoenix game. i'm the one that told you all AB would be a star. i'm the one that told you that trading our starting PG for Kyle Lowry was brilliant. i'm the one that told you that tracy mcgrady would never play significant minutes again as a rocket after his surgery announcement. you remember me now?

nobody is saying they want to cherry pick chase out of the roster and specifically trade him. you put the proposition out there that if you could trade the #14 and last year's #40 something pick for this year's #5, would I do it. the answer is yes. the reality is that chase + the #14 doesn't even get you the #5 in this draft, but for the sake of discussion, we're talking about it.

 

And all of those players drafted outside of Turner and Wall could be too, now you are getting it.

DD

 

Luther Head had a good season, too. Maybe we should have traded him at that point.

 

Chase is no longer the 40ith something player taken in last years draft, he is now a quality proven NBA player.

Luther could not dribble or pass, and was short for SG, Chase can do both...and is perfect size with incredible leaping ability, and we did get rid of him.

DD

 

discussion of when to trade a player is a very different thing than the scenario you've put forth here.

you are asking a specific question: "would you trade chase + #14 for #5".

the discussions after the lakers series were "if we are going to trade AB, this would be a good time"

those are VERY different conversations. you are warping the facts to suit your own agenda. that is very weak.

 

I consider people willing to trade a talented Rookie that does EXACTLY what we need at that position, and is only getting better to be equally stupid.

The only way I would trade Chase is if we are getting a star player back.

DD

 

I have always been clear about that. I have also been clear that having a decent rookie season in the NBA takes a good part of the risk out of a player, as opposed to where he is before he is drafted.

We have a local radio commentator mention every week that they used to laugh at Edison. OK, but that doesn't make him Edison; I think he's a nut. Just because some players made great strides after their rookie season doesn't mean that CBud will. He might be Dale Ellis, he might be Kenny Thomas. If we get offered a good deal for him, we should take it.

We didn't know what would happen with McGrady, either.

 

your argument is completely circular.

ok, you have the homer glasses and don't want to trade chase, that's fine.

clearly you are willing to beat your head on the wall forever to try to prove that you're right. i'm not getting into a contest of blind stubbornness with you, so i'm going to go do something besides read clutchfans and hope you're not here when i get back.

hopefully chase is never traded, or i'll fear for your health.

 

You have no argument, none, no player that you are proposing only a risky draft pick....

I would trade Chase, just like Landry, for a better player....not for a risk...anyone outside of 1 or 2 in this draft is a risk.

IMO, of course.

DD

 

I choose to believe you say such things for effect.

 

Ok, you do that.

I believe Chase is a very important part of the Rockets future, this year and going forward, moreso than Trevor of Shane....

DD