My thoughts on trading up to near the top of the draft

And apparently all of those were 100% wrong.....so, let's not compound the idiocy by trading away our next starting SF.

DD

 

how do you think that? he's shown a feel for the game, that's it. how you get from that to "he's an alpha dog" is a leap of faith entirely.

 

I never said that he was an alpha dog, but I have said he will get better.....

Let's not put words in my mouth like people have done about VSpan.

I am saying we don't know HOW HIGH HIS CEILING IS....but going by Morey, he said he has all star potential.

So, why in the world would anyone give up him to move up a bit in a draft and HOPE we get better?

You don't give up improving assets unless you get a guarantee back.

Giving up Landry (an improving asset) for Martin was great because we got a better player at a position of need.....

Giving up a rotational player for a little higher draft pick is downright ignorant.

Unless you are getting John Wall or Evan Turner the rest are all hopefuls, no guarantees....and this team with a healthy Yao is pretty close already....

Let em play.

DD

 

cmon. look at the class of players you put him with in your list. a bunch of champions, max or near max players, multiple time all stars . . . its way, way too early to make those comparisons.

you're making the case that we don't know how high his cieling is. that's true, but that cuts both ways. we don't know, so it could be really high or really low. he could develop or he could not. the statement "we don't know" does not support the case for him to stay and be untradeable. it just means we have something of a positive asset, that we do not totally understand.

 

Not true, we do know that he is a double digit scorer at a very good efficiency rate, how do we know? Because he did it over the last 20 or so games and got better as the year went on....

Is that his ceiling? I doubt it, he has a lot more to his game, he can dribble, he can drive and he can pass.......as he grows in confidence and ability he will get better.

Will he be an all star? I don't know...but he might be, so why not cheer for the guy and find out, instead of taking a shot at another Kwame Brown or Stromile Swift....

Let's ride what we got, and draft at 14, and see what happens.

You NEVER trade a proven player for lessor value unless you are dumping salary, that is what losing organizations do......

DD

 

Lessor value? A high draft lottery pick does not have lessor value, unless everyone in the NBA thinks they are going to be a huge bust.

 

Which player do you think they will get for Cbud? Everyone beyond Wall and Turner is considered a risk.

Pass.

DD

 

that does not mean lesser value. completely the contrary.

i think a top 5 pick in this draft is ridiculous value for budinger. you'd probably get laughed at if you even proposed it.

 

C-Bud is a risk as well. All he proved is that he can be a good bench player. I'd take my chances if it meant getting into the top 5.

 

Well, no real GM would do that......you trade for players that make your team better....ie Landry for Martin.

You don't trade improving...PROVEN NBA players for guys that might be ok in the NBA.....

That is how GM's get fired, and rightfully so....and it is not top 5 for Cbud it is top 5 and the 14...two for one....

Let's trade a proven NBA player, who is only 22 and fits perfectly and is getting better, and a lottery pick...for another lottery pick.

Yeah, that makes sense.....NOT !

DD

 

Which is why you're not an NBA GM.

I'm not as high on Chase as DaDakota, but he does have tremendous upside. He's not off limits, but I wouldn't trade him for a mid first round pick. His value is only going to increase. Why sell low?

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i'd do that deal. we have enough average to above average players. the opportunity to get a superstar is maximized in the top 5. if we lose chase we still have ariza and battier.

sign me up.

 

Notice how every single one of them ignored all the stats I posted from players that had similar stats in their rookie years and are now NBA stars....

Yep....short sightedness to the extreme.

Kwame Brown, Michael Olajukandi, Stromile Swift, etc..etc.etc... all say hello.

DD

 

so do michael jordan, hakeem olajuwon, dwyane wade, etc etc etc.

i'll say it again . . . we have enough above average players. we need elite players. i don't see chase as an elite player, so if we can trade him for the opportunity to draft one, then we need to do it.

why do you assume that a front office that was brilliant enough to find chase in the first place would draft a total bust? its non-sequitor logic. in the same breath you're praising them for their draft acumen and insulting them for this presumed draft day incompetence that hasn't happened.

he put up decent rookie stats on a team that could afford to give him minutes, where he was surrounded by very competent teammates. don't forget that he played marginal defense, where are the stats for that?

 

Not a single player outside of Turner and Wall has been thought of as Can't miss.

Lots of risk there...if there was an MJ then sure...but there isn't...that is why so many teams are willing to trade down....the draft is deep but it is not star studded.

Big difference...

DD

 

theres no such thing as cant miss. every player has risk. even proven ones. chase could tear his knee up tomorrow. risk is inherent to the business.

being afraid of taking prudent risks is just as much a path to irrelevance as is taking unnecessary risks.

if you want to hit a home run, you have to swing hard. its not smart to go up to the plate every time trying to hit a home run, but when it's called for you have to do it.

 

You don't swing for the fences when all you are swinging at is a whiffle ball.

Sorry, no true superstars, why get worse this year?

Play with your improving players, hope that AB continues to develop and becomes an Alpha Dog along with a healthy Yao and away you go.

Draft someone at 14 that could develop, or trade down to get ready in case Yao is not able to come back.

Don't take big risks and gut the team...if you are trading redundant talent like Shane or Trevor...sure......but not quality young talent that is only getting better, that would be stupid.

DD

 

I just went to the last 2 pages of this thread so I didn't know a lottery pick plus Budinger was the proposal of the thread. Yeah I wouldn't do that either. I thought it was just C-bud for a top 5 pick, that I would do.

 

I would not do that, but at least that is reasonable....

DD

 

Leave Chase alone!