Would anyone take Fisher if we got Dunleavy Jr with him? Let's say that all we give up is expiring contracts and a pick. Anyone do that deal with T-Mac moving to SG? With his passing and shooting, Dunleavy would be a perfect 3rd or 4th wheel on a championship team. Maybe JVG could get him to play defense too.
I thought that too, but now that I think about it more, which competitive team with a need at PG will have the cap room to sign him, assuming the Mavs don't bring him back (what with Devin Harris waiting in the wings)? Maybe the Sonics? I think that he really might have to settle for an MLE deal next year if the Mavs don't bring him back.
I read it, I disagree. And tsk, tsk, tsk - what happened to not insulting? I don't think Derek Fisher is very good - re: 39% - you're confusing his overall shooting percentage with his 3pt percentage. He was 50th overall in 3pt percentage, behind Wesley, Jon Barry and Mike James. I think things like offense and defense matter, and Derek Fisher is not that good in either facet, and is overrated because he was a bit part of the Laker's championships.
He very likely could be a lux cut. If so and if he would sign for the min he would be an excelent pickup. People might not like him but he has playoff experience and whether or not Shaq and Kobe carried him or not we now have our own version of those two don't we?
I wouldn't mind have Fish on the team for reasonable contract.He is definitely an upgrade over our PG.
ktvoss.. are you the same dude on the real gm board that has started like 5 threads in support of Fish ... the guy has a fat contract and couldn't get PT on a lottery team nuff said ! I like Sura and James MUCH MUCH better
Mike James is pretty much Derek Fisher except Fisher gets lit up by other PG. Contract is horrible and everyone KNOES he is not worth that contract. Chris Mullin was so idiotic giving Fisher, Foyle, and Murphy those big contracts!!! B Davis was a good move....How in the world we cant trade crap and get a superstar? Van Exel, DA, Jalen Rose, Finley, A Houston, JayWill, GP are all better option CONSIDERING THE LOW CONTRACTS we can offer. There is no reason to get a overpaid PG that is equilviiant in talent to our guards rite now.
You guys don't give Fisher enough credit. I saw a lot of his performances in LA and he was always solid, professional, and reliable. I don't want him on the team because he's outrageously expensive for the performance, but he's good enough to start for us. Pro's: 1) Great spot-up three point shooter. His shots are money if you leave him wide open. He'd get those shots here. Not streaky like Wesley. 2) Good lob passer. That's important. Defenses often tried to front shaq. Fish could punish them with great passes to him. Not even gary payton could do that without turning it over a lot. Notice how people front Yao a lot and we can't get it too him? 3) Good defender. Strong enough not to get posted up. Rarely makes mistakes on his assignments. And yes, flopping counts as a valid defensive tactic. Horry does it all the time. Why is it considered smart bball in Horry's case and just a crutch in Fisher's? Con's: 1) Makes more than Sura and James combined. 2) Not a big enough upgrade, if at all. 3) Best days are behind him. He would've helped us last year. He won't help us in two years. 4) We have too many point guards. I don't want Payton or NVE either. I wanna upgrade SG.
The only reason that he started on those laker teams is because they couldn't afford anyone else. Half of the time that had scrubs at every position other than Shaq, and Kobe. This is the same team that had Luke Walton playing significant minutes in the finals, just pathetic.
Cut and pasted from another thread: While I don't think Fisher is better than Sura or James, I would gladly take him for a 2 year LLE if he is waived, and over NVE. I think he is more suited to being role player around great players and better defensively than NVE. If we did this, I'd have James/Fisher share the 1 duties (not sure who starts--maybe Fish, but James would get more minutes because he is the better overall player at this point in their careers) and free Sura up to play more 2 or even 3. Under these circumstances I'd take Fisher, sure.
Hell no with his contract. If he is Amnesty cut and we sign him for the Vet Minimum, then I am all for it.
ktvoss, nice try with the thread. I almost feel sorry for the way people are piling on. But consider Derek Fisher was 25, 26 & 27 when the Lakers won their championships. He will be 31 tomorrow and is signed for 5 more years. He has clearly lost a couple of steps from what he was, which was fair to middling at best. His major contribution to the championship Laker teams was he had no ego, willingly deferred to Kobe and Shaq, and could hit the 3 point shot. He was NOT a floor leader or good passer then, and he isn't now. He's just older. The Warriors only started playing well when Baron Davis joined the team and Fisher was pushed back into a support (read bench) role that didn't require much. At his age he is a very good backup PG, not a starter. Your individual points about him are valid, but for 95% of people that follow the NBA, he's not worth the 5yrs/$32MM left on his contract. It's not just people on this forum that feel this way. Is that hard for you to accept just because you believe it so strongly? If Fisher is granted amnesty by the Warriors, he is someone the Rockets could look at. But at his salary, no way. I agree with you the team needs a big move in the backcourt and Fisher's skills could help, but trading for him is the kind of desperation move we should avoid. Finally, this forum is has very civil disagreements. I'm a witness they can get very heated, especially when you present "an idea that is not common within the board" as you say. Two examples from earlier this summer: 1 The pro vs. con Stromile Swift arguments and 2 The need for a new PF vs. the need for a new backcourt slugfests that we debated to exhaustion, both of which I was on the very vocal minority side. I suggest avoiding words like "stupid", "crazy" and "not smart" when debating people here. To answer one of your questions: It isn't just Mike James offense that makes him better than Fisher, his defense and speed are better also. After last year, Mike James would get more on the open market right now than Fisher. He is better than Fisher in every way (shooting, driving, defense, fast break, etc) except passing.
I respectfully disagree. Fisher is defintiely not a scrub, and he was one of the major contributors that won Lakers three championships. Fisher has the intangible that most NBA players lack. His glory day just long passes him and he is no match for athletic guard any more. BTW, how ktvoss can explain why Rockets should take his large payroll is out of my mind. KH
I think the answer is right here^^^^. Take him if he wants to sign in Houston after being amnesty cut or leave him where he is. In my mind, giving up 5 years of flexibility for a player better yield a championship or two and signing him is no guarantee.
Good thing you didn't start a poll. I'm afraid you'd be on the short end of a 1000-4 deficit. Just say no to Fisher.
More than anything else: I just don't see the point. It's not that Fisher's a bad player. It's just that he adds precious little that David Wesley and/or Bob Sura don't already possess.
I'd definitely take Fisher for our expirings and even throw in a 1st round pick to GS............................if they include Pietrus in the deal.
I got an idea.... Let's trade for Fisher, like suggested, then lure Rick Fox out of retirement with the LLE, trade some future 1st round picks for Big Shot Bob, offer somebody productive like Mike James (who in all seriousness is better than Fisher anyways) for Devean George and let's give Ho Grant the vet minimum. ....oh, and while we're at it i'm pretty sure we could scoop up Samaki Walker off of the pavement somewhere---might as well bring him in too. There, we have most of the key role players from the Lakers championship teams since apparently we're going with the Lakers mold (Kobe-Shaq, T-Mac-Yao). I guess now we're guarenteed a championship!
