Touché. I can't speak for Max, but as far as I'm concerned I've already stated the point: "David Carr is a *huge* piece of this franchise's history. Like it or not, people are going to be interested and will have commentary on his post-Texans career." You don't have to agree, but there are folks who are interested. Complain about it and criticize it all you like; you're not going to change it. And, it's perfectly natural, really. And Jennings is a bad comparison. DC was here *five* years, not one. He was the face of the franchise, not a damaged goods starter for whom a popular CF was traded. Nothing similar except that they are both (most likely) done as far as their careers in Houston.
no, he's not; he's relevant to the carolina panthers (for the next three weeks). what happens to him after that, unless the texans resign him, continues to be irrelevant. and just for the record, anything matt schaub needs moving forward...? think we have enough real weapons? getting pumped for ron dayne's 2008 season? do you think canton is clearing space for ephraim salaam? if carr had gone to carolina and gone all romo, my level of care would have remained at 0. him succeeding/failing with carolina tells us nothing about him or us. i mean, it's not carolina's undefeated in games without him. they haven't won a home game in how long...? then i eagerly await your "my new dom capers thread" or your "my new charley casserly thread" - should be good reads.
"history" being the key word. he's gone, and his markings on this team have all but healed or faded away. it was a costless year of rolling the dice.
Do you have a clue what it means to be a fan? Retrospect, reflection, regret and revision are all allowed... even encouraged!!!!!!
He's not relevent to the present-day on-the-field Texans. He is certainly relevant to the history and direction of the franchise. Can we not still discuss Bagwell or Biggio or Olajuwon since they no longer play for the Astros or Rockets? Or Roger Clemens and Pettitte last year? 8 days.
major... come on. reread the names you just rattled off and then consider david carr... i recently remarried. but if all i did was post about the ex - her weight gain; her financial failings; et al... would you term that helathy? relevant? how many threads would you endure before dropping a "move along, dude..." on me? carr, his failings and his impact on this franchise are gone, gone, gone...
Sports fandom and marriage couldn't be less relevant. You couldn't find a poorer analogy. No one made a sacred lifelong agreement with David Carr. He was the face of a football franchise, not Houston's lover.
Consider the history of each franchises. Each of those people I listed, Carr included, were the faces of the franchise and had a substantial impact on the history of the franchise. They didn't have similar levels of success, but they equally defined their franchises. You and I spent half of last season debating others on the Willy T trade and its impact on last season even though he was gone, gone, gone. And Carr's impact on the franchise is far from gone, gone, gone. Just for starters, his failure and the need to replace him cost two draft picks in this past season and coming season. His impact is still being felt.
Whether or not he has a current "impact" on this franchise is utterly irrelevant. If we can talk about Jerry Glanville and Warren Moon and Commander Cody, we can talk about Gary Kubiak, David Carr, and Sage Rosenfels.
and discussions of bagwell, et al, center on the positive impact they made - their accomplishments are worth celebrating and remembering; carr's are not. lol - as usual, carr is absorbing a lot more blame than he deserves. kubiak didn't HAVE to spend two picks to replace carr; he could have signed jeff garcia; he could have sent denver a day 2 pick for plummer; he could have used A pick on a QB; he could have named sage rosenfels the starter/place holder............ carr's failure necessitated only that they find a replacement; the amount paid is not on him any more than us giving up picks for say... michael turner or chester taylor will be on ahman green.... willy t, and his absence, were relevant last year as we watched the astros' lead-off hitters sit too often and their defense erode. do you expect "my new wily t. thread"s this year, and if so, will you jump in and bask in them, or dismiss them as hanging on too tightly to a past the team has moved on from...? do we benefit at all from reliving that experience? msn, lighten up a bit... geez - pretend i meant girlfriend...
This kind of stuff is why you're the only person in all my ridiculous years of hanging out here that's ever graced my ignore list. Because you can't help but be a jackass. If you hate the thread...or any thread I start...avoid it. If it bothers you or frustrates you in some way...move along. Why you care about the subject matter of my threads, present and future, is beyond me at this point. It's never enough to merely disagree is it, Ric?
Mario is 12th in the NFL in sacks with 9.5. That is 4 sacks behind the league leader. With the pace he is recording sacks with the last 3 games, he will probably move up on the list. That does not take into account his tackles for loss, etc.
I'll go in a slightly different direction. We should be thanking David Carr, or at least the Texans decision to extend him, for saving us from Vince. And now the Texans have two QB's better than both DC and VY, that and a pro bowl caliber DE.
But it's still not the same. This isn't love, dude, it's a football club. A much better analogy would be a marketing department or customer service department in a large company, having a few laughs about days gone by with employees who've left, good and bad.
