This is a question that should have at least a "purported" answer. What do these parties say they got for their money. Is there a Statement of Work they signed with Rosemont Seneca? What do they say? In the case of Burisma, I understand Hunter and Archer each got $1million/year (times 5 years) to serve on the board. I believe he was a board member and an investor in the chinese joint venture. Maybe that's a fig leaf, but it's relevant information to the allegation. To the skeptical eye, it looks like the House might be taking normal (if questionable) business dealings and trying to paint them with a sinister brush. The credibility of the allegation would benefit by acknowledging and refuting the accounting answer to this question. I'm actually not at all pleased with this 'selling the brand' business. But as corruption goes, this is pretty damn soft. Corporations routinely pay a lot of money (hire lobbyists, donate to campaigns, host conferences and dinners, and more) just to be in the same room or have the ear of a friend to the decision-makers in government and without any promise of a payoff at the end. I worked in that line for a time. Companies would book at Trump properties just so that Trump would see their names in the register. So it doesn't surprise me at all that companies would hire Hunter for the hope of access even with no promises (in the case of Burisma, I think it served a double purpose: (1) goodwill from the US Admin, and (2) signal to the market that they were committed to turning toward the West). And Joe Biden lending his time to talk about the weather does give a feedback signal to those companies that they are getting some non-quantifiable return on their investment in Hunter. I don't really like it, but it is about as dirty as to start a lobbying firm because you have connections as a former chief of staff to the governor. Or accepting a big campaign contribution and then rewarding it with an ambassadorship to the Bahamas. I don't like it, but it's petty and it's commonplace. It is a sort of corruption you'd never get a conviction on, even if the name wasn't Biden. What will be more interesting is if one could demonstrate that Joe Biden did something concrete to help these patrons. Which is hard because the vice president has no power. But Joe Biden was an unusually influential vice president. If the reverso-Shokin theory could be proved, or if one could show how Joe Biden advocated for a particular policy that benefited BHR or gave them insider information, then it goes from the waste-of-time 'selling the brand' allegation to an actual official corruption case. Then, I'd be very interested. But we don't seem to be there yet.
Dont let @AroundTheWorld skip the question. You claim it was a fact that Brisma asked hunter to remove the prosecutor. If its a undeniable fact then please show us the evidence to back this up? Facts usually have alot of evidence behind them to be called facts. Whats the issue? Please enlighten us. lets say If you owned a strip club and you were selling alcohol after 2am illegally what would you do if you had a corrupt cop in Vice on payroll? If you knew you had a insider at the police department who could alert you about a possible raid would you want them fired? Seriously @AroundTheWorld is so dumb that he doesnt realize that the prosecutor was on the side of burisma. Why in the hell would they ask hunter to fire the person whom they had in their pocket. @rocketsjudoka this is why i disagree with you that nazis didnt use the same techniques. Look at these people. They believe conspiracies that arent even based on facts. Imagine what they would've believed in the 30s during great depression when everyone was poor.
Instead of having other people tell you what you to believe why don't you literally read the testimony of Devon that I linked? Devon never said biden ever discussed any business on the phone or ever.
Suddenly foxnews claims Devon didn't know anything after all. But I thought @AroundTheWorld claimed he said as a fact they told hunter to fire the prosecutor? Funny how the same right wing clowns always expose themselves as clueless illiterate trolls
LOL weaponization? No matter how many times you yell DOJ it doesnt make it Biden. The person dealing with hunters case is a republican but sure keep spewing your dumbass conspiracies
I get the Hunter selling the brand might get Hunter an initial payola but the fact that he recieved subsequent payments from these folks means that Hunter was bringing something to the table. Maybe we are shortchanging Hunter's expertise. And at the end of the day, his artwork is palatable so maybe someone actually does love it.
i wonder why ivanka trump got her trademark approved for the voting machines the same time when trump signed the historic trade deal with China. Maybe we're just underestimating how good her trademarks are right? Like im sure ivanka trump knows everything about voting machines? The crazy thing about you right wingers is that ivanka was doing this **** while she was a employee of the WH and you guys bent over to lick trumps ass while he was POTUS. You people spinning conspiracies about Hunter are literally the biggest jokers alive
I’m not sure which argument you’re referring to. I’ve said before that MAGA rhetoric is similar to Nazi. It’s not exactly the same but there are some similarities.
Yeah I agree. You would have to figure at some point they would stop cutting the checks if things didn't go their way. Maybe Hunter just got lucky with the big guy's policies.
not so sure about that. give Hunter a million dollars, get a free meal with Joe, from the looks of it
Given the opaque nature of things how would Burisima or someone else determine exactly what was going their way? I've been in meetings with "consultants" who will always bring up some metric to argue that their advice is working. On top of that much of the money paid to Hunter Biden was while Joe Biden wasn't in office. So why would then people be paying Hunter Biden to influence Joe Biden while a rival party was in office? Wouldn't it be more logical to assume that Hunter Biden misrepresented himself to his clients and was able to do so for years?
