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My Entry Into The Trade Suggestion Funarama

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by MacBeth, Nov 28, 2003.

  1. MacBeth

    MacBeth Member

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    I doubt they do it, for three reasons;

    1) Chandler is the guy thee decided to build around, even more than Curry.

    2) Potential franchise big men are worth a lot more than potential franchise smalls. It was the belief that, especially in the East, taking the time to establish a dominant 4-5 combo would pay off huge in the long run that stimulated Krause's moves in the 1st place.

    3) It leaves Chicago naked up front.
     
  2. MacBeth

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    I disagree, I honestly think it makes sense, but this is a way better way of phrasing it than formerly, and I'm cool with it.
     
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    But do you seriously think his fg % would mysteriously go up again from .375 to, let's say, .450 (which is still not great for a PF), just because he would be playing next to Yao? He is 35 already. Including this year, he is still owed $ 37,000,000 on his contract. That's more than Francis makes during that time. He would be the highest paid player on the Rockets. It is always a bad thing when the highest paid player is not the best player. He makes more during that time than Yao and Mobley combined. At best, he would average perhaps 7 points and 8 rebounds, while probably shooting at best .420 from the field.

    Do you honestly think that makes sense?! :confused:
     
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    In a similar vein, this also works:

    Chicago trades: SF Jalen Rose (13.3 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 3.5 apg in 33.1 minutes)
    PF Tyson Chandler (13.0 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 1.0 apg in 28.6 minutes)
    PG Kirk Hinrich (6.8 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 3.8 apg in 24.3 minutes)
    Chicago receives: PF Maurice Taylor (11.1 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 23.3 minutes)
    PG Steve Francis (18.1 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 5.1 apg in 38.9 minutes)
    Change in team outlook: -3.9 ppg, -6.0 rpg, and -2.6 apg.

    Houston trades: PF Maurice Taylor (11.1 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 23.3 minutes)
    PG Steve Francis (18.1 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 5.1 apg in 38.9 minutes)
    Houston receives: SF Jalen Rose (13.3 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 3.5 apg in 16 games)
    PF Tyson Chandler (13.0 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 1.0 apg in 10 games)
    PG Kirk Hinrich (6.8 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 3.8 apg in 11 games)

    Incidentally, MacBeth, I hope you did not take umbrage at my MacToddie jesting. Hottoddie is one of my favorite reads, so no disrespect was meant.
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    I think Chandler will be a beast. His ceiling is much higher than Curry's, in my opinion.

    Therefore, I would seriously consider it.
     
  6. MacBeth

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    I would be willing to wager that, even in Toronto, where his situation is less ideal, he'll do better than that. Why would he suddenly forget how to rebound?
     
  7. AroundTheWorld

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    He only averaged more than 9 rebounds per game 3 out of 11 seasons. Last season, he averaged 8.3 rebounds in 35.7 minutes. He is now 35 years old. There is no reason to believe that his average will go UP as he approaches 40. But alright, make it 7 points and 9 or even 10 rebounds, with ~.400 fg %.

    Do you honestly think that that justifies making $ 37,000,000 over the next three years (including this one), more money than Francis, or as much money as Yao and Mobley combined?
     
  8. MacBeth

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    He's only been a starter for 4 seasons, this being his 5th. Last year was his 1st injured season. Since he's been a starter, his rebounding numbers have averaged out to 9.175, even if you count his injured season. If you don't, it averages out to 9.5. How many guys in the league can you name who have averaged better than either for the past 4 years?

    Oh, and what's he averaging this year, being older and all, you ask? 9.6 boards/game, as per usual.
     
  9. AroundTheWorld

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    You avoided the question.

    7 points, 10 rebounds (even if it goes UP (in your dreams)), worth $ 37,000,000 over the next three years (including this one) - more than Francis, would-be highest-paid player on the Rockets, makes more money than Yao and Mobley combined - do you honestly think that makes sense for the Rockets. That's about what Cato can do now, with more blocked shots. And I still happen to think that Cato is getting too much money, even with his improved performance.
     
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    How many power forwards/centers in the league can you name that have averaged around .400 fg % for the past 4 years and still gotten 35 minutes a game?

    No wonder the Raptors have gone down the drain.
     
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    Are you guys finished hosing each other with testosterone?:D
     
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    :D

    I think in her case it is estrogen.

    I'm evil. :eek:
     
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    Macbeth you mentioned that Chicago wants A.Davis then why would they need Bradley,Moiso, and J.Williams? Only the latter helps them in rebounding.
     
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    SJC...wanted to and will respond to $$$$ issue, but am experiencing serious computer problems. Will get back to you.
     
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    Sir Jackie (formerly Det the Threat?): Since you did not respond to my JJ as PG thread, what do you think of making that move?
     
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    Yep, formerly Det The Threat, how do you know, were you already registered back then?

    Not sure about JJ as PG, perhaps they can alternate in bringing up the ball, I guess they already do that sometimes. I can't say, I think he never really played point guard, so I don't know...
     
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    I have a few targets :

    Caron Butler : # 3 pick in Yao's draft, # 3 in ROY vote. Stud talent.
    Stro Swift : Absolutely frozen out in Memp. Will play for pay.
    Eric Snow : good pg for Yao and a stud 3.

    I don't care what crap Rockets you trade besides Yao. Screw them. The whole team sucks. I hate them. They don't deserve to wear the red uniforms. Go back to pinstripe hell, losers.

    Destroy the monster abomination that CD has horribly made a disgusting animate creature. Drop a bomb on it.
     
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    I have been a newbie several times, but I have been around for a looong time. I read, and I remember.
     
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    But a SG is still important . Not as much, but still integral in ball handling, creating, fast breaks, etc. I agree the problem won't be as bad, but it will still be there at critical moments.
     
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    I get the impression you are a tad unhappy with the team as it stands.

    I agree Caron Butler would be a nice addition as a SG. I have been as impressed with Swift as Griffin -- and we already have Griffin. Snow I cannot agree with -- he has no shot and is not that good as a pure PG.

    If the Rockets are going to make a trade, IMO they must go with ONE really good exchange. That means Steve will have to be the principal bait, so we must fill all our needs with that one trade. Incidentally, I am not in favor of trading SF unless the trade is so good it makes us want to ..... (complete your own wish here).:D
     

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