I watched quite a bit of him leading up to the draft and i thought that he was a raw young prospect that would take considerable time to turn into anything valuable if ever. I liked him as sort of a Tom Savage sort of pick, but I was really high on Derek Carr and thought the Texans should use their 2nd rounder on him because I thought he was the best QB in the draft and that he'd be available there allowing a total coup of getting Clowney and Carr in the same draft. Most here strongly disagreed with me and thought we should pass on Clowney for Manziel, Bridgewater, Bortles, or Sammy Watkins (one guy)
Forget about Jimmy G. Their are teams higher in the first round and that are interested in him. Texans are not giving up a first rounder for him.
So, I was bored, so I went back and reviewed your comments on Carr leading up to the draft, as well as others in the same threads. Most people agreed that to get Carr in the second round would be excellent, including me, though I wanted a trade up back into the first for Bridgewater or Manziel (acknowedgling with every post I made about Manziel that he would be either boom or bust, and had huge bust potential. I just wanted someone to solve the QB crisis, as I saw it back then). The best compliments you gave to Carr is that you said he might be the best passer in the draft, and that if his name was Manning, he may be the first quarterback taken, but from what I understand, from his name. You did call him supremely talented, but you said there was a ton of risk involved with taking him, and that he was not nearly seasoned enough. After the first round, there were reports the Texans would take Carr or Garoppolo with the first pick of the second, and everyone was excited, including you, for either quarterback. In another post, though, you agreed with Mcshay in that all the QBs from that draft were overrated, which was true for everyone EXCEPT Carr. I did see references you made to predicting we draft Clowney and Carr during the November before the draft, but I didn't go that far back. Also, aound that draft, you also called Anthony Barr, Travardo Williams. So let's not paint a totally rosy picture that you were the knight in shining armor for Carr around here. Many here wanted him in the second round, especially after we didn't draft a quarterback in the first. Quite a few wanted Jimmy, as well. For the most part, those that wanted someone other than Clowney wanted Mack leading up to the draft, except for a few people, and one crazy guy (not sure who that was, maybe me) that wanted Manziel, while acknowledging that he was a potential huge bust. I find it easy to admit when I'm wrong, though.
That's a fair and accurate accounting of the things I said here, and I did think that there was risk involved with taking Carr because I was worried that ANY struggles early on would lead to Texans fans going absolutely nuts....similar to how things are with Osweiler now. That said, I had been pulling for the Texans to draft him before his final season in college started.....I just wasn't posting here in those days. The comment about Barr.....well it was hyperbole. He's nowhere near that bad, but I was just saying that I saw him as little more than an athletic freak who didn't have a very polished game and that there's no way he should have been in the conversation for the top overall pick. Face it, we'd be talking about him as a total bust if the Texans picked him #1 overall.
It's simple, if Belichek gives him to you then you know he sucks because he will need a qb shortly so why unload talent. It's a no win situation.
I liked Jimmy G more than Carr coming out in the draft. Time will tell who is right on this one. I didn't want Carr because I cant stand his dad showing up at practices basically being a QB coach. Also after seeing David's work ethic I was a pass on Derek guy.
Rappaport reporting that Pats to extend Brady's contract in the offseason. They do feel he's going to be their QB for the foreseeable future (and that may only be 2 years).
3 QBs they can swindle teams out of a first! Here, take Jimmy G! [Makes Brissett the backup] Next year or year after: Here, take Jacoby B! Here, take this QB [we draft in the next 1-4 years]!
I really don't look forward to people trying to sell us on how Brissett is going to be the savior and supporting trading first round picks for him....but I guess I just have to make my peace with it.
Not at all.....but you know how Texans fans are, as soon as the Patriots look to move on from him Texans fans will decide he's the savior.
I think it's highly unlikely that he'll be anything special. Certainly it's not impossible....but it's also not impossible that Jacoby Brissett could succeed.
And now we see why, no matter how good or bad the Patriots think Jimmy G might be, they are not going to trade/release/whatever Brady to move on to him until he actually decides to retire. Patriots are either trading Jimmy G this year or will lose him next year to FA - they aren't franchising him or whatever other nonsense while they have a window with Brady. This thread has some truly ridiculous arguments in it.
Of course they're going to trade their backup when his value is high, regardless of his potential franchise ability. He's Tommy ****ing Brady. Unless he has a Montana-like situation (or even a Peyton-like situation)... where he gets injured and the team experiences a full year of what life is like without him... there's no way they're just going to trade him or let him go while he's still playing at his SB MVP-winning prime.
Sure... he's not the next Tom Brady. So have been 97% of the other QB's who have ever played this game. When you use THAT as a starting point for evaluation... it makes decisions to trade useless backups, that don't need to be earning huge money, that much easier.
That's not the starting point though. If they thought he could be the next Matt Ryan or Derek Carr then they wouldn't trade him. Anyway, I know you are sold on him as a savior, which is fine. You'll probably be sold on many others as the savior after he ends up being nothing special for the Browns or whatever.
When the hell are you going to play him? He's likely better than Tom Brady was when he took the starting job... and yet the Pats will never think twice about sticking with the guy who's the greatest QB of all-time, still in his prime, and still has a tremendous opportunity to win even more. Also, there's a helluva lot of grey area between "savior" and "backup bum who's nothing special"... something that your black/white mentality is still struggling to sort out. Would you take Jimmy G if he replicated Matt Schaub's Texans career? I would in a heartbeat... especially with the capability/potential of this defense for the next 2-3 years.
