When it's the only relevant data available, it should be used. Brooks' role in the last 4 games of the Laker series is the same as his role now. Why should I bother using data from prior games when he had a different role? Granted, its a limited same, but it's all that's available. There's no sense in comparing apples to oranges.
My last post directly to you. I have donated a LOT more than $100 to the tip jar here already, if you want to donate, please do....but to make a stupid bet about who will be starting when ANYONE could be traded is stupid. I never said Brooks would start forever, I merely said he is better than Lowry, and by the fact, yes FACT that he is starting, it is pretty clear that the GM and head coach also think this way. And if you listen to other team's announcers on League pass, you can hear them raving about Brooks as well, including Jeff Van Gundy.... Now, does that mean Lowry sucks? No, not at all, but it does mean that people respect Brooks as a quality improving player. Something you are fighting tooth and nail to discount, by skewing data of 7, wait, no 4 games in the playoffs....ROFLMAO...4 games....giggle.... Seriously that is funny....4 games....hehehehehehe No it is not !!! He started about 30 games last season, 14 in the playoffs, and about 57 this year, that is a lot of games to evaluate him on.....why take the games with Yao out? And, if you think about it, this is a totally different team than the ones in the Lakers series and Brooks has an even bigger role this year than in that series. There is no way you can take 4 games, that is just stupid......some players are hot for 4 games some are cold.... You need much more data to analyze his improvement......if you look at when he began starting to where he is now, he has shown MARKED improvement. Again, GMs see it, coaches see it, knowledgeable fans see it....but you don't.....hmmmm...wonder why. DD
Why do people always try to use betting or gambling as a means to prove manhood or right and wrong? People have different opinions and that is all there is. Are you that insecure about your jewels or of people disagreeing with you that you want to try to place a dollar amount on it?
Also, what is the point of senselessly provoking people? You have your opinions, DD has his, and T-Man also has his own. Accept that and move on. The three of you are beating a dead horse as this topic has been around since AB first started over Lowry. People who like traditional gameplay prefer Lowry and people who prefer offense over balance, prefer AB. Until Lowry starts, presumably when AB becomes injured (hope that never happens), any argument that Lowry is "better" is still pointless though.
Why is it stupid? It's just another reason to donate. And the bet has a lot of flexibility so if Brooks is traded/injured, then the bet is off. Like I said, you know that what I say makes sense. And I have donated, but it was anonymous. Agreed. What's funny is that you think 90 games worth of irrelevant data is more persuasive than 4 games worth of relevant data.
wekko, no offense, but u don't know much about basketball. I mean, when i listen to your arguments, i can tell you're fresh to the game and don't fully understand the totality of fielding threats. You know why some teams are offensively more effecient than the rockets? Having 2 guys that require attention will always bog down your offense unless those guys are special. Last i checked, neither yao or martin fit that bill. So your answer to the numerous droughts is to put one of your best scorers on the bench in favor of a guy that needs play finishers which are non existent in the starting lineup? Ok, welcome to being the lowest scoring team in the first quarter. If this team were full of play finishers, i could see lowry maybe playing more or even starting. As it stands, they don't and this team with yao back will still be offensively challenged. Would i upgrade brooks? Sure, but with a guy like monte ellis, not kyle lowry.Lowry does nothing to help you beat a team like la. If you cant punish fisher,farmer,and brown, you have no chance of beating la. The last couple of teams to beat la had guards that did exactly that. When it was apparent rondo was struggling, house and cassell came to the rescue. Billups killed the lakers by scoring any and every way, not by playing setup man. The rockets wouldnt have beaten portland if brooks wouldnt have killed their pg.
It's a testament to how strongly you believe in your opinion. If person A is willing to put $100 behind his opinion and person B isn't willing to put anything behind his differing opinion on the same subject, it's pretty clear that person B doesn't have faith in the validity of his opinion. Basically, to me, its a quick and easy way to find out whose full of crap.
I got this: 2 Games with Kevin Martin playing solid minutes at the 2 spot relieving some pressure from Brooks. This should now be the gold standard. Why? Because Martin will be the main scorer and Brooks can move to option 2. This means he has less pressure on him as the go to guy and can look to get his teammates more involved. Therefore, Brooks' numbers in the 2 games with Martin: 48% FG 40% 3P 20.5 PPG 7.5 APG 3 TPG I look at that (now more relevant) sample size and say that those numbers are great improvement over his series with the Lakers.
How is 4 games of semi-controlled data(only variables were location) any more relevant than 90+ games of data taken from all kinds of variable sources. Would you get a better result by polling 4 republicans or 90 random folks who walk out of the voting area?
Not surprisingly, I've thought the same thing about you. Seems to me like a 7'5 center with polished offensive game should be considered "special". And since I expect him to play fewer minutes, he should be surrounded with players that complement him. And as I've said before, Brooks does complement Yao if he's not the one making the entry pass. As I've already stated, it would be ideal if Martin were able to throw the entry pass.
Believing in your opinion =/= Money Not everyone likes to gamble and being reluctant to gamble doesn't mean you are full of crap. Likewise, you can be willing to throw money away and still be full of crap. A lot of posters here believe strongly in things (whether or not it is sensible or logical is a different story) and don't need to stoop to something as low as trying to provoke them to bet.
Brooks' role this year is the same as his role during the last 4 games of the Laker series...1st offensive option. If you want to use a relevant benchmark for this season (role A), what's more useful for comparative purposes, 4 games of Role A or 90+ games of role B?
I did the radio commentary on Leeb's games when he played in college, believe me, I don't always agree with Leeb but he knows his hoops, and when we discuss strategery, we are almost always aligned. Leeb knows his hoops. DD
Actually, K Mart being the main scorer is not necessarily true at this point... Next year.. maybe but not at this point... I think he may be next year, if he's still here.. with Morey you never know. Right now K Mart is on a OJT process of learning the Rockets meaning Offense, defense, etc... So he's going to struggle for a while, which is going to bring down his numbers (from a stat stand point). The other thing to take into account is what every ones roles are... unfortunately we (as fans) don't know, we can assume, debate or discuss but in reality we really don't know. There are just so many variables with this team that it's just crazy. The Rockets don't have a traditional team like LA, Boston or even Cleveland. There style changes depending on the opponent and that is why Brooks and Lowry compliment each other so well. I also see thist last half of the season as an experimental process to see which direction they want to go in the future, just as they did the first half with T-Mac. Depending on how this team plays in the second half could really determine the future of a lot of players... including Yao.
Yet he doesn't think Yao Ming is a special player. A 7'5 center with a polished offensive game...and not a special player.
To be fair, the starting unit was severely lacking scoring. It wouldn't be inconceivable for Lowry to start with the emergence of Martin and Yao. They provide different styles and I feel like either of them could start. In fact, I've heard AB state that Lowry could start on numerous teams. This is a good problem to have. Just shows that DM knows what he's doing. Lowry and Ariza need to get well or we won't have to worry about tanking. The losses will come.
He is clearly a special player, when healthy, but unfortunatly that has not been the case. Let's hope he stays healthy from now on..... DD
Yep, so special that diaw and harrington can make him useless. So special okur guarded him 1 on 1 in his absolute prime. Thats what i want my highest paid,special player to be like.
Yao Ming is an injury prone 7'5 center with a shooting touch about as soft as his game is (think tofu) and is one of the easiest "star" for opposing teams to neutralize. That is hardly a special player in my opinion.
Never understood the obsession with starter vs bench guy. With Lowry/Brooks we have the option of playing both signifigant minutes and keep the hotter one in the game. We have done that all year for the most part.
