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My Beef With Brooks

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Hak34, Feb 20, 2010.

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  1. ibm

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    you mean the many bounce passes at yao's shin? lol.

    i digress. this thread should not be about yao, either.
     
  2. choujie

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    It's way too early to tell if Yao comes back strong or not. Withtout Yao, the team again will need offense, so nothing changes there, and Rockets is doomed for next season. But if Yao comes back strong, a more balanced team sturcture might be needed. Lowry at PG provides that.

    Making the team more balanced is even more important than getting Yao the ball.
     
  3. T_Man

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    Now this I totally agree with....
     
  4. choujie

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    Didn't the failurer of Suns teach you something?

    This team's offense won't even be better than the old Suns because there is no Nash to get players the ball at tht right time and right place, and defense might be even worse.

    It might be a great regular season team, but in playoffs a Conference final exit at most.

    Championship is won by defense, because it's consistently there in every game. No team rely on offense only could win the ring for many years.
     
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    We can go on forever about whether brooks is a good player and the best player for the rockets. I would trade brooks just as i would yao,scola,battier and whomever else as long as it makes the rockets better. I see wekko,trugoy and the same cast make their points that seem to come back to getting yao the ball. If we need magic to get yao the ball, then i guess we're up the creek. I'm willing to bet if shaq was on the squad we wouldn't have such debates on him getting the ball.

    As stated before, posters want a traditional pg or think lowry would be better. Taking brooks scoring out of the lineup even with yao on the court would be a disaster. All that would do is put the scoring load back on a player that hasnt shown he cant beat a front or have the stamina to do it all game long. Again, find me a lowry type in adelmans entire coaching history.
     
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    How about this hypothetical scenario:

    If the starting unit of the Rockets (including Yao and Martin) were to play against each others' clones with Brooks leading one squad and Lowry leading the other, whom would you bet on? In this situation, the team only has to play the 4th qtr since that is the most important period of the game. Keep in mind, Lowry will be defending Brooks and vice versa. And of course, it doesn't matter which PG performs better statistically but about which team wins in the end.
     
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    People foolishly think that a better passing PG will have an easier time getting Yao the ball. Getting the ball to Yao has always been Yaos problem, not the entry guy.
     
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    what kind of logic is that? that a "lowry-type" is not in adelman's coaching past does not mean he can't have it now and in the future. b4 he had webber, had he coached any similar players? and he did not necessarily need a drexler when he moved on after leaving the blazers.

    and again, this thread is titled "my beef with brooks", not "my beef with brooks passes to yao" (which he did have some problems).
     
  9. ibm

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    riiiiiiiiight...

    that the sun didn't come out today is always the problem of the sun, but not the rainy clouds...
     
  10. DaDakota

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    People who don't understand that point, nor the point about it not being the PG's primary duty either.

    Anyway, this is a tired thread, with the same tired arguments.

    Lowry had his chance in training camp to beat out Brooks, he failed.

    Brooks won the job, and is the 2nd highest scoring PG in the ENTIRE NBA...behind Derrick Rose.

    That is not bad company.......

    This whining about Lowry is nothing more than the backup QB syndrome gone wild.

    DD
     
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    You have no clue if you don't understand why Yao is a good portion of the problem.

    And it is NOT Yao per se, but his size and lack of speed and quickness.........

    He is just too big and slow, it makes it hard to get him the ball......whether you like it or not.

    The truth is the truth.

    DD
     
  12. ibm

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    is that the same of what the other guy said, which i quote below -

    "Getting the ball to Yao has always been Yaos problem, not the entry guy".

    same, or not?

    and you,amongst a few others, have the tendency of using "not understand the game since you guys have not been around or played the game" as your argument. frankly, it's silly and logically flawed. there are a lot of people outside of you who understand the game very well. you can be sure of that.
     
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    First of all, Yao isn't going anywhere unless he's forced to retire. So if the pg can't get the ball to Yao, it's the pg's problem.

    Secondly, Brooks' passing deficiencies (in regards to Yao) are the result of his height. A taller pg will have an easier time.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    True, but there are a lot of them on this BBS who have no clue, and if you don't understand that most of the difficulty in getting Yao the ball is because of Yao, then you may be one of the clueless.

    Yao is at least half the problem, and probably a good bit more than that.

    Personally, I hope Rick moves him to the high post more to protect him....and .....I would not mind the big fellas stepping out to the 3pt line either.

    DD
     
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    It makes it hard, but not impossible. Yao usually does seal his man briefly. We just need an entry passer who can capitalize on this window of opportunity. Brooks is incapable of this.
     
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    100% false.

    The problem has nothing to do with Brooks height, it has EVERYTHING to do with Yao's height, lack of athleticism, slow reaction time, inability to seal his man, inability to quickly go get the ball, and inability to hold his ground.

    But keep on blaming the guards for Yao's deficiencies...

    Briefly?

    That is all you got? Briefly.....how about he seals him by getting low and wide and holding his ground?

    At least we now know where all the Brooks whining is coming from.....

    SHEESH !

    DD
     
  17. ibm

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    once again, is "part of the problem" the same "the entirety the problem"? yes or no?

    one can make an argument that the coaches are a part of the problem, too. what? you don't understand? then you're clueless. see how it works?
     
  18. DaDakota

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    Ok, what percentage of it would you put on Yao? Personally, I would say it is about 80% Yao's problem.

    And again, a lot of it is just Yao's size and slow reaction time that causes it, not something he can correct, unfortunatly.

    DD
     
  19. Hak34

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    Indeed it does include both Lowry and Brooks, Imagine how bad the seperation would be if Lowry didn't skew it back in the Rockets favor.

    Brooks averages about what 35-38 mins per game. Lions share at the Point. Ok, nuff said.

    Well you don't like per. You don't respond to the fact that the Rockets average more points and give up less points while Brooks is off the floor. I've shown you how often he gets less than 3 assists per game, how often he has over 5 turnovers a game, gave you specific references in a specific game, gave your references to how he misses Yao completely in the post, yet you refuse to see anything other than the fact that Francis....errr Brooks averages 19 ppg.

    Wow I think I actually did Francis' early years a disservice.
     
  20. wekko368

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    Is it not a problem when Brooks can't see over his defender? That almost guarantees that when Yao is open, Brooks can't get him the ball.

    To be honest, it would be easier to get a bigger entry passer that can adjust to Yao as opposed to expecting Yao to adjust to Brooks.
     

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