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My Beef With Brooks

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Hak34, Feb 20, 2010.

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  1. DaFranchise03

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    until you think about finding someone better. someone that is not a rocket.
     
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    were you saying that 2 months ago, or did you just now have this revelation?
     
  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    They lie to the XXXXXX people to get them to buy tickets......or rather, they market to them.

    ;)

    DD
     
  4. LosPollosHermanos

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    people need to stop lying to themselves. Brooks is better than Lowry. He has been playing chippy lately, b ut thats because lowry made it a lot easier on him and he has him to thank. But with Yao brooks is a versatile scoring threat. He is a knock down shooter that can score on long stretches to demand defensive rotations. You guys need to be patient. With a a legit scoring big or Yao this team will be scary.
     
  5. Egghead

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    well Morey thinks differently

    Need to get in sync on D.We did not get NOH into low % shots. Need to push tempo&be more aggressive on O. AB did a great job setting up team
    about 2 hours ago

    http://twitter.com/Dmorey
     
  6. DaFranchise03

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    its one game...

    So if we say it in a lose its a knee jerk reaction. If we say it when he has one of those rare games where he shows great pg skills we are wrong........
     
  7. DaFranchise03

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    edit:

     
  8. Obito

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    Does the OP even know what the real terminology for "beef" mean?

    I'd use problem next time buddy.
     
  9. Shroopy2

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    The entire starting lineup gives up more points than it scores. I guess by default that means Brooks is supposed to be the catalyst to change all that. With Hayes, Battier and Ariza? Do those players magnify Brooks's faults, or does Brooks magnify all theirs?

    All the starters have their inherent flaws. Even Yao how you mentioned he doesnt really fit into the Adelman system. It is becoming apparent Brooks needs to work on his late game execution. But whats more hopeless, Brooks developing a little court awareness and experience. Or Trevor Ariza and Hayes developing offense and height?

    This both proves and disproves your comments. The best Rockets combo this year is:
    Brooks-Lowry-Budinger-Landry-Andersen

    All of those are bench players, EXCEPT Brooks. Should we just promote the bench into starters? Is it Brooks playing off the ball with Lowry handling the point duties making it work? Perhaps its using that method, you keep Lowry there and instead of Brooks you have Martin.

    You mention championship aspirations and the excuses of development and chemistry. The core of champion Rockets played with each other for years before they broke through big. It surely wasnt overnight. Unless you think Brooks is this team's Sleepy Floyd
    ;)
     
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    Except Morey has had nice things to say about the Rockets PGs almost every game this season. The team tracks something called true assists or whatever. They also track how many quality shots are set up by the players. I remember one game where Brooks/Lowry each were in the teens in good shots set up and they combined for almost 30.

    As to what improvements Brooks has made to his game since the play-offs:


    He is up an assist or so per game. He is playing more and more under control. He is making fewer poor decisions(not necessarily turnovers) or dumb plays. He is setting up his teammates better. He is running the offense better. And his biggest improvement is his consistency scoring the ball. I remember in 13 play-off games he had 3 or 4 where he was in single digits scoring or shooting some god awful Rafer Alston number. Now he seems to have evened that out. His 3P% is up, his FG% is up, and his EFG% is up.

    Sorry, but to whine about Brooks providing nothing if his shot isn't falling is pretty much a myth anymore since he isn't doing that 30 points one game, 9 points the next game thing he did last year in the play-offs. He is consistenly providing double figures scoring and getting his teammates involved. You can't average 19+ ppg without being pretty consistent in getting those points.
     
  11. dartherus

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    I had told things like mentioned here (about Brooks severe lack of Basketball IQ, hurting the team as a whole despite his good scoring capability) and a ban request was set against me, I see that here you find more basketball knowledge.

    Anyway, do you know why Temple was enabled in the roster, instead of Conroy, with Lowry injured, and a total lack of 1 PG with at least decent court vision in the whole roster...wasn't Conroy more needed than Temple?
     
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    This is not necessarily indicative of improved game play. It could also be the result of the offense focusing on him more (taking the touches that Artest had last year).

    No, he's not. In these respects, he'll still performing at the same level he was against the Lakers.

    The reason I specified the Laker series is b/c Yao missed a few games from that series. Therefore, it would be much more relevant for comparative purposes. It's clear that Brooks and Yao do not mesh well together so it's not surprising that he had poor offensive performances with Yao on the court.

    Actually, compared to the Lakers series, his 3P% is down and his FG% is down. Even his FT% is down.

    Actually, he is. Look at his stats.

    Sure you can. You just offset lower scoring performances by having a few monster games. For instance, he's scored 10 or fewer pts 8 times this season. That's at least 9 pts fewer than his season average. Conversely, he's score at least 28 pts (9 pts higher than his season average) 7 times.
     
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    My first thought would be that we're looking for a pg with size for defensive purposes.
     
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    I really wouldnt mind williams regardless of the Houston "grudge"
    I'd offer Armstrong, Jeffries, and Brooks
    We'd then have more money to sign scola and lowry.
    Why the Jazz would do the trade? No way in hell is Boozer staying so obviously they need PF's.
     
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    If martin is starting and we had a decent offensive center, we wouldn't be having this discussion. When the only guy starting that can get a good shot is yourself, what do you do. I'm pretty sure paul could make hayes,battier,and ariza decent offensive players.
     
  16. DaDakota

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    Don't you get the feeling sometimes in some of these conversations that people have never been around the game?

    DD
     
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    Good Luck!!!! I gave up last night...
     
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    Well, at least Ariza's getting a break from the hate...
     
  19. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    My theory is that because AB0 is so fast and small, that everyone in his peripheral simply looks like a big blur and he just passes to the nearest open big blur. As for why he does not pass to Yao, it is because someone is usually between his line of sight to Yao. :D Just joking here BTW!
     
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    So you are trying to offset his numbers, in a discussion about how low his numbers are, by saying his actual numbers are inflated because he is more of a focal point of the offense??


    Um.....Yeah, he is. Sure, he still makes mistakes(but most all PGs make mistakes and average 2+ TPG) but he IS improving. Its not a stat sheet thing. It's a running the team and getting them good shots. It's getting them into the offense. He doesnt do the whole dribble out the shot clock thing nearly as much as he did last year.



    Um, his A/TO ratio is way better this season than it was in the Lakers series. That's not improvement??


    I was going by the whole play-offs and last season. He was a 40% FG shooter last season, and that's gone up. I remember folks whining about a 40% FG shooter and people wondering why everyone thought he was a good shooter. They kept saying 40% FG isnt a good shooter. They would only see numbers, they didnt see the bigger picture in that he could shoot. He was just lacking confidence to do it in the NBA.



    How many games in a row has he scored in double figures?? Up in the 20s now? That's the very definition of growing and getting more consistent.




    So wait. Having 18 games this year where he was either 9 points over or 9 points under his average is something similar to his play-off series where it was literally feast or famine for almost every game?

    Not to mention, he didnt lead the team in assists one game against the Lakers. Only 4 times out of the 13 did he lead the team in assists during the play-offs. This year he has led the team in assists 26 out of 55 times. That's not improvement? That's not getting more consistent?
     

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