Muslim terrorists massacre dozens of civilians in Nairobi mall

From personal experience... It ends up not pretty. I'm talking about straight up beheaded not pretty.

 

So we should just bow to violence?

What would you respond to someone who would say that many of the "silent majority" in Islam believe in the same things (e.g., "infidels" are inferior, the USA are evil, women should not have the same rights as men, gays should be punished and non-Muslims go to hell), they just don't resort to violence themselves to "enforce their beliefs" - they don't need to, they have thugs to do it for them? Kind of like if you were a Rockets fan, you wouldn't ever beat a Jazz fan up yourself, but part of you secretly doesn't mind when you see a more thuggish Rocket fan actually doing it? Of course, when asked, you would condemn the action of the other Rocket fan, but...

 

You obviously don't know anything about Muslim or muslim countries. Ignorant tool.

 

People can judge for themselves whose posts are more ignorant...hint: You win in that category.

 

Please keep the D&D civil. This type of posting is unacceptable.

 

By no means am I accepting acts of violence, but are there any anthropology peeps in here?

It seems as part of a growth of a group of people, especially those united by a greater cause, that violence is part of it. Crusades being an example. You think that people should be more aware and recognize that it is no way a part of a "growth" of a particular ideology. That being said, it seems this type of growth has happened through out history, this just happens to be one during OUR time.

 

Ha hahahaha says the aspiring hitler wannabe

 

Can we stop seeing a German post, and then somehow because he's German immediately resort to comparing him to Hitler?

I disagree with ATW as much as anyone on this board, but nobody's position is made stronger by calling the German guy Hitler.

As someone who often disagrees with him, I'm asking others who disagree with him to set your sights a little higher.

 

If he did that you might call him Hitler.

 

I haven't surveyed the whole thread so this reply probably is redundant. However, the FBI was on the ground investigating -- almost before the shots ceased -- something that really is not our business. However, they couldn't field a team for weeks upon weeks when a U.S. ambassador and three other federals were shot to death at Benghazi.

 

Why do you think that was, and what do you think that delay cost us?

 

As FranchiseBlade says - if you think you are strengthening whatever your case is by acting like an idiot...you are doing it wrong.

Also, I believe you saying you are a Sikh as much as I believe that one guy that he is a proud black woman...

 

calling posters names doesn't really strengthen your arguments either to be fair.

 

Well, here is our 2nd gun-toting hero of the Nairobi mall. Maybe there really weren't enough good guys with guns at the mall that day, huh?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/kenya/10337908/Revealed-American-family-rescued-by-hero-of-attack-on-Nairobis-Westgate-mall.html

 

Obama dispatched the FBI to Kenya because it was politically safe. He didn't send them to Benghazi because both he and Hillary knew they had screwed up royally.

Obama is fortunate his loyalist press did not press him on why going to Las Vegas was so much more important than directing the Benghazi response. Of course, the reason was, and is, simply because he knows how to deliver a speech to a sympathetic audience but knows nothing of delivering crisis leadership.

 

Abdul Haji, son of a former security minister, and an anonymous Royal Marine felt they needed their handguns. These two men are noted for escorting hundreds of people out of a kill zone occupied by gunmen toting fully automatic weapons.


FranchiseBlade, noted cowboy action shooter, says they didn't need a firearm at all.

Reference for those who are unaware of what Cowboy Action Shooting is.

 

and someone made this about Obama. maybe he was quicker to Kenya because he was born there

 

Ahh so you are someone who believes people only gain leadership and can inspire confidence when they have a handgun?

That's not what I said at all. It makes it easier for you if that was what I said, so you changed what I actually said.

I said the article didn't describe if they needed their handguns or not, so that I didn't know.

I said that if they were able to to show decisiveness in moments of chaos and inspire people who were panicked to follow them that it could have been done because of the training they had, and how heroic they were. That is entirely possible. I'm willing to give the heroes that credit.

But you seem to only think a hero can be a hero if they have a gun. That hasn't been shown to be the case here. It might have been, but we don't know. I haven't seen any pictures or stories about handgun wielding folks shooting it out with dozens of assault rifle wielding terrorists yet, but it could have happened. I don't know.

What I do know is that people can be heroes whether or not they have handguns.

But of course, you had to claim I said something that I never said in order to try and make a point.

 

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Umm, the article clearly says that Haji was providing cover fire against the terrorists for Red Cross workers.

 

Absolutely, just like in the Old West. Good guys with guns prevent murders. It worked so well back then.