Hitler is not Christian because he didn't believe in one facet of Christianity? Yeah right. That's not how it works. If you use Tsarnaev's label of himself as a Muslim, then you use Hitler's label of himself as Christian. If you use their behavior to externally determine whether they comply with all the rules of their religion, then neither Hitler is Christian nor Tsarnaev Muslim. You can't have it both ways. Bottom line is: it doesn't matter what they call themselves or what we call them. The only important matter is that they were both criminals in breach of sovereign laws. If policing people who share your ideological label is legitimate, then make people responsible for that in the law. Obviously, it's not legitimate at all. It's a xenophobic ideological suggestion which is designed to blame the crimes of two deranged brothers on only 1 of the labels they set for themselves while ignoring the dozens of other questionable labels they set for themselves like anti-colonialists, freedom fighters, justice lovers, followers of a peaceful religion, blady blady bla. Bigtexx is basically saying "We'll believe your admission that you are acting upon the principles of Islam, but let's ignore everything else. No verification necessary."
Whereas we just accidentally kill innocent civilians and have been doing so for decades. Derp. And while we're at it, let's start civil wars. Look - two wrongs don't make a right but you're delusional or in denial if you think these fools hate us bc they're Moozlems and see the US as a Christian state.
Really it's entirely up to you. Call the FBI when you feel there is a threat. Is there anything more anyone can do than that?
I think you missed my point. My point was that the idea that people should have called the FBI on this guy because he was becoming a conservative Muslim is ridiculous.
Hitler denounced Christianity. They sought to have Norse religion and ancient pagan festivals replace Christianity and church holidays. They literally spent millions of dollars scouring the globe searching for artifacts to back their mythologies....Hitler said that Jesus was a weak Jew, essentially. I'm not trying to make a larger point....just speaking to Hitler and the Nazis Party in general. He and they absolutely persecuted the Christian church in Germany.
he was replying to a statement that stated that Christianity has no basis for violence. There are Christian terrorists today also. Obviously not as widespread as Muslim based terrorism.
Can you guess who wrote this: " My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross."
Adolf Hitler did. He persecuted the Church. He put church leaders, like Bonhoffer, to death. If you get a chance, dig in to the pursuit of the occult and Norse religion to propogate the Arayan myth of superiority. Fascinating and strange stuff. In his own diary he spoke of Christianty saying it would fall apart because of its ridiculous underpinnings. I recognize he made public statements where he affirmed (somewhat) Christianity -- as he had to politically, at least initially...but his private writings and his actions tell an entirely different story.
all this natzi talk reminded me that i need to watch the latest hbo doc, 'mr and mrs. kraus'. carry on.
You won't get far here Max. There is a segment that wants the Christian label applied to Hitler forever so that the Hitler card will always be there anytime anyone wants to defame Christianity. There is nothing to suggest that Hitler was anything more than a paper Christian who used the religion for a time for political purposes. You can attack the history of Christianity just fine without needing to resort to Hitler. Power corrupts. Regardless of whether the people are Christian, Muslim, Jewish, etc., people with power tend to abuse that power to take resources they want, punish people they don't like and generally promote their own self interest above anyone else.
Pretty weak response if you ask me... Address from their perspective. We are the enemy, not innocent civilians. Fighting starts from different perspectives on a certain thing. You need to understand your enemies perspective, relate to them and try to make a compromise. When people realize they are just human beings like the people they hate it is harder to be so hateful.
You're incomprehensible. Their perspective is worthless to me if they view unsuspecting, innocent civilians as an enemy worth targeting. That's a decent definition of a terrorist by any account. Your attempt to rationalize it is really going to far.
Not to derail the thread...but Hitler was a Roman Catholic. In his memoirs shortly before his death, he mentioned this, that he still considered himself one. He was also considered one by the Vatican, who never excommunicated him. Any argument otherwise is to invoke a "No True Scotsman" fallacy. The only senior Nazi who was excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church was Goebels...for the same reason my grandmother was: for marrying a Protestant.
Hitler considered himself a Christian and used it in his speeches. I know there were other things he also cited. So it isn't really so easy to say he was or wasn't. This is a quote from Adolph Hitler. He believed he was a Christian. It's fair to call him one. http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/207235-as-a-christian-i-have-no-duty-to-allow-myself This is another quote from Hitler himself. http://atheism.about.com/od/adolfhitlernazigermany/tp/AdolfHitlerChristian.htm Certainly we can argue that he was a Christian in name only or that he made the claims only to have more public appeal, but that could be said of terrorists who claim they are Muslim or even leaders of Al Qaeda.
Is it so strange that people try to gain power using extreme/militant interpretation of in this case Islam when many muslim countries are tormented by wars and conflicts? These wars and conflicts are also often the result of overseas military intervention! U don't make peace with war!
Was not disagreeing, perhaps just poor wording on my part. This is the whole point. No one believes Hitler was a good or devout Christian. But he used the ideology to further his goals, until it did not suit his politics. Take the same sentence and say: Hitler's example is an important one. It's one of the most plain examples of how ideology is used as a tool for political purposes in the case of terrorism. I have no doubt that Hitler was not Chris like and that he ditched it when it didn't help him anymore. Similarly, I have no doubt that the Tsarnaevs would have pursued their goal even if faced with opposition from "Muslim leaders" if there is such a thing. A great example of this is defiance of the preacher - these guys were going to do what they did, even if all Muslims told them they're crazy. Because they, like Hitler, saw this in reverse: they believed that terrorism is the righteous solution and therefore their chosen ideology would have to conform to it.
I don't agree with a lot of things bigtex types on here, but it certainly seems that muslim violence is a lot more prevalent than any other 'religiously' based violence...and much more extreme. Some of the sadistically strange things you hear about are so absurd, you'd think it was made up...it's like hearing about people being nailed to a cross by christians...it just doesn't happen anymore. *cue greek dude with bad hair and "ISLAM" at the bottom.*
