Muslim judge rules against costumed atheist attacked by Muslim

I said why i think that before, and alluded to it with a quote again, and it has nothing to do with anyone masking feelings or anyone dictating anything. It seems you don't want to get it. It's ok. I don't have to be agreed with.

I didn't say they should keep their beliefs to themselves. I didn't say that I think they should change behavior.

I don't think it's a big deal, or wrong. I just don't think it was smart, if it happened the way it was portrayed (An organized group that I would assume is interested in the legitimate recognition of rights and freedoms of those who are not theists, joining a parade as a group and under that groups identity, and being as offensive as possible because they can towards those they disagree with), and I say that independent of the incident at hand, for which I already said the judge was wrong, and the assaulter should be punished. I stated why quite clearly.

Yeah, it was halloween, and individuals can and should blah blah blah.

I just don't think it was smart, or, productive. Again, independent of the incident, but not surprised at the incident right up to the judge's miscarriage of justice.

Really.

"PREVIOUSLY MARGINALIZED GROUP GAINS WIDER ACCEPTANCE AND TOLERANCE FROM MAJORITY WHO DON"T SHARE THEIR BELIEFS BY BEING AS COMPLETELY DISRESPECTFUL OF SAID PEOPLE AS THEY CAN.... BECAUSE THEY CAN."

seems a rather unlikely headline. If it were just a couple of people in costume, I wouldn't have even thought about it. As it was reported, it seemed like they were there as a group. A group with an agenda. And a method, however separated from that in this setting, that is.... wait for it....


counterproductive.

 

It's really indefensible. If a Christian punched someone ridiculing Christ, and the judge not only let the attacker go free but also lectured the victim, the response from the left would be almost volcanic. What the judge did is absolutely contrary to the very foundation of our democracy.

Let me be perfectly clear, no matter how much some would like it, America is not going to have two sets of rules, one for Muslims and one for everyone else. Being a Muslim doesn't give someone the right to physically assault another person just because that person is engaging in free speech.

And Muslims wonder why some Americans have concerns over Mosque being built in their community. This outrage is a perfect example of why so many Americans wonder if Islam is compatible with an open and free society. If CAIR were as patriotic as they want us to believe, they would be the first organization to condemn this judges behavior.

 

Islam isn't like Christianity. There is no middle man or organization between a believer and God to speak about issues. You are your own spokesperson. CAIR doesn't speak for me or all Muslims. I wish there were a way to poll every Muslim in America because only that would be the right way to identify if Islam is a problem.

I'm not saying this to you, but most Americans wrongly assume a cohesive structure to the religion where a single, easily identifiable body can condemn this ruling. In times like now where Americans need to understand that Muslims like me vehemently disagree with the judge's decision, it could be argued that this lack of structure is a weakness in Islam. But that's just how it is because data collection methods haven't advanced far enough.

IMO, most uneducated Muslims I know do not believe in the concept of freedom of expression/speech. I wish immigration would do a better job of weeding them out, but they slip into the US, and expect people to bend backwards for their one-sided beliefs. Inevitably, they mingle with confused and impressionable Muslims born in the US, and help to indoctrinate them too.

 

Why you mad, tho?

I'm pretty sure your tangents were worse. FTR.
Re-reading my post to be sure I hadn't flipped or something, I guess I didn't make my perspective clear, initially, in terms of them doing this as a group, rather than just a couple of people with costumes. Perhaps that is why it touched such a nerve. I was referring to the group, not individuals. I was merely commenting on what I read/was posted (though I later quoted the part where it says the Group went, implying an organized presence) . I think, by now though, that I have made it plain enough. I think it was a bad idea.

Nobody is mandating or condemning here. well, I guess you are condemning me and my wacked out values that you are demonstrating to know little about. I guess you thought they offended me, or that I thought others SHOULD be offended. Not the case. Sorry if that wasn't clear. Maybe it read pissy. I apologize, I never meant it to be.

I still think if they went there as a group to represent in the parade, it was a bad decision to push it that way. I wouldn't think it would be in their own best interest as a group with an agenda. Wrong as in 'morally,' or because you think a costume bothered me, no. And not because anyone won or lost the publicity grab. I do agree, with the Judges complete meltdown, the pub turned out good, but that wasn't my point, and I don't think it really justifies anything, except conveniently.

If you think that's nonsensical now that you acknowledge the actual point, we can agree to disagree. I've been called worse (by you, in this same thread).

 

I do not want a church in my community, since many priests molested children.
Yes lets judge a religion on the few idiots that do stuff like this. Good idea.

 

The answer is, Christianity was not compatible with a free and open society either. Islam is in its infancy in the US, these occurences are normal, and Muslims come from a variety of cultures which the US has not been exposed to. That's proving even more difficult because Islam's infancy coincides with a horrendous US economy.

In any case, I'm sure the US legal system will learn how to deal with these things better and better with experience.

 

Right, because there are never underreported stories of people from other religions committing crimes. And if, hypothetically of course, there was a substantial problem with sexual assault amongst soldiers, I'm sure you'd feel the same about living next to military members or supporting the troops.

This thread suffers greatly from availability heuristic:

Like I said previously, there were almost 780,000 cases of aggravated assault in the US in 2010. People respond violently to frustration for a variety of reasons, including road rage and domestic disputes. To paint a solitary, anecdotal incident as representative of Muslim normative conduct is absurd. Statistically speaking, majority-Muslim countries are markedly less violent than their counterparts:

As for CAIR and related orgs not coming out and condemning this judge, I'd venture to guess they havent even heard of this story.

 

Excellent post. Well done.

 

Guess I should have put a smiley after the "yumadtho?"

You've managed to take me saying "That seems like a bad way to promote or represent their group cause" to imply or mean a million other things. There was never any "moral" part in it for me. I was never offended personally, nor do I think anyone else -should- be necessarily, as i said. I never said there was anything morally wrong with anything. I acknowledge(d) I should have explained my first post better, and did. I will keep this one short so you don't have to work so hard filling in between the lines. Or we can agree to disagree, like I said before a couple of times.

 

Actually, I wouldn't blame you. The coverup involving Priest was global, not local or regional.

 

fosho

 

Judge was wrong, the guy with the mask is a d-bag, the Muslim shoulda gone to jail or at least been sentenced to take some anger management classes and some religious tolerance public service.

Great post Vaids.

Raven, you really discredited yourself with that "see why Muslims shouldn't build mosques" BS.

 

Unless I am mistaken, this was the incident...

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I am not condoning the actions of the attacker and everybody should have the right to say what they want. From the looks of it, it does not really look like an assault (the way we generally look at it) . I am guessing the judge called him a doofoos because it was just a waste of tax payers money as nobody really got hurt.