Musings behind the bench from the Raptors vs Rockets game

MFW2310, where did I say Francis can do no wrong? I merely stated that I think the original poster is lying, which is all the more insidiuous because I'm already seeing a bunch of other posters quoting this post as evidence that the Rockets are tuning out their coach. If memory serves me right, the shot at the end of the 4th quarter came off a botched screen and roll where Antonio Davis leaped out to guard Steve and he forced it. Bad decision. At the end of the first OT, Stevie ran the clock down, drove and Toronto used their foul to give ... about six seconds left, the Rockets inbounded, Stevie held the ball too long and forced a shot. Bad decision. Worthy of all this heavyhanded and reactionary criticism? Definitely not.

But I guess Francis bashers always criticize him, cuz he can' do no right.

As for Cat's assist to Yao against Phoenix ... it was only one of the most pivotal plays at the end of a close game. I've seen plenty of live basketball games. I guess I'm pretty amazing. The reason I pointed it out was because the original poster definitively stated that he's watched every single Rockets game this year and has never seen Cat make an assist to Yao. That indicates to me that he's not really watching the games. No amount of phony "insider" info or alleged behind-the-bench insight could disguise his agenda.

 

I'm with you on that one. The guy started his post with an UNBELIEVABLE sentence. He thinks he was about 3 rows up...come on ! when you're in the 3rd row, you know it. it's not hard to count to 3.

As for the JVG quotes, there are way too many for me to believe...he memorized every timeout from the 4th quarter on...with great detail too...

 

And furthermore, the original poster states that he's never seen Yao receive a pass off a pick and roll ... In yesterday's agme, I saw Cuttino try to feed Yao a pass off a pick and roll that Yao fumbled away. How could you miss that from three rows away from the action?

 

Totally agree, DK. How could someone forget the Cat to Yao pass against Phoenix with the game on the line when they claim to be such a fan that they've watched every single possession and are going on the road to watch games?

Besides, I once sat at the scorer's table keeping stats for my college radio station during a freaking women's college basketball game (they gave the newbies all the plum assignments), and I couldn't quote the coaches verbatim. You're telling me this guy heard everything JVG said at a loud pro arena where they have music blaring during timeouts?

Please. People are way too quick to want to believe that the team is shutting out JVG. Maybe they are, but I don't buy this evidence.

 

No matter it is an actual insider or not, SF's shots at the end of regulation and 1st OT were not executed as planned. No coach will run stupid plays like that.

Cat did make several entry passes to Yao yesterday. He is definitely adjusting himself.

JVG's decision to double team Carter is questionable. That guy hit 4 for 20. It didn't seem that Carter could make a trey even one on one. Leaving Bosh open is a mistake. We should leave A Davis open when we doubled Carter.

When Yao is not at low post, our guards start to play street-ball. Why not move the ball and find a quality shot? Cat shot poorly in the past 2 games because he didn't have any open looks.

 

And why the hell is Ewing telling the opponents anything ?

I'm sorry, but this is a junior member telling junior B.S.

Driving from Toronto to Philly ? You have an 8 hour drive so i suggest you get up early otherwise you won't get any work done...or do you get paid to watch the rockets ? Next time, get a flight...

 

Uhh....Charles Barkley?

 

Hey, Ewing is the former chairman of Player Association. Curry is the current chairman of Player Association. So it sounds reasonable to talk each other's situation since it's Ewing's job to coach Yao.

 

Regardless, the guy's post is BS. He's not an insider otherwise he would know where he was sitting and he would also get a flight to Philly...as a matter of fact, i don't know of a single company that would get you to drive from Toronto to Philly...what a waste of time and money...

What is surprising is the number of people who are so quick to believe it...including people who've been on this board for years...

 

OUCH thats gota hurt for JVG, if I said that 2 Steve and he still didnt listen and did his own thing I 4 one sure wouldnt b happy. He needs to learn to listen im sure he felt stupid after he missed the shot, man the least he could have done is drove it in a little 4 a better look at the basket

 

Straight out calling someone a liar (even if you firmly believe they are one) is a dicey proposition. Even if you're right, it's not always a good reflection on you.

And if your wrong, you look like an ass.

There may....or may not be.....plenty of old timers who immediately thought this guy was full of ****, but they're letting the new guys take on the responsibility of calling this guy out.

....just an opinion of course...

 

Danjojo
On what grounds do you qualify his post and BS? Because you don't agree with it? Or are you just jealous that you don't have the same 'liberties' he now enjoys? What is it that is really bothering you? You must be one of those Steve-Only fans who hate to hear remarks that put your idol in back light

Anyway lay off the guy and respond with substance of desist from responding at all.

 

Hmmm....first i don't think you'll find the term liar in my posts even if i'm more then suggesting he is one...2nd, i'm really not to concerned with reflections. I don't make **** up, i don't see why other people feel a need to, and i will always what i think, in a respectful manner...

That's never hurt anyone. You can also look like an ass by believing anything you read...

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There may....or may not be.....plenty of old timers who immediately thought this guy was full of ****, but they're letting the new guys take on the responsibility of calling this guy out.

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That's real gutsy of you...Thanks for the advice anyway...

 

Go back and read the thread. I've given you plenty of points to show that there is nothing to his post then pure hallucinations...There is nothing to agree or not agree to, it's just not plausible account.

And BTW, I'm a Rockets fan, not a Steve Francis fan.

 

You know what, you're absolutely right. I have no definitive proof that the original poster is lying. I probably would've left this post alone were it not for the 45 or so "great post, just what I thought about SF and Cat" responses and the fact that I've seen posters already quote this thread as gospel in other posts. I'm just skeptical. Perhaps the original poster is telling the truth. I just doubt it. And I have no qualms about stating that the emperor is wearing no clothes.

 

Maybe the guy is afraid of flying. See Madden, John.

Regardless, calling someone's post BS without a single shred of concrete evidence to substantiate your accusation seems to be just that - BS.

 

I have no idea whether the original poster is lying or not. But it seems to me the central idea is very simple.

That is, do you think the plays ran during the overtimes are the the kind of plays called by the coach?

I don't think too many people will anser yes to the above question. I think that is also the reason most people give the original posters the benefit of the doubt.

 

Oh I see. So basically you're putting your own ideas into somebody else's mouth.

 

Let me clarify one point on this thread.

I have no problems with people stating their opinions (i.e. the plays ran where not the ones called), but i do have a problem with people putting words into somebody else's mouth.

If this guy wanted to say the plays we ran were poor, and that there's no way JVG could have called them that's one thing. But there's no need to make up stories, to make yourself look important and to make your ideas pass as THE TRUTH.

 

Francis certainly made bad decisions at the end of 4th quarter and 1st OT. But he did pass to Yao alot in the first 45 minutes, which he rarely did early last season.

I think he's changing his playing style and learning how to trust his teammate not named Cat. But at clutch time he still think he's the best option (Remember the buzzer beaters he made last season against Miami, LA.....coming off screen of Yao). JVG needs to find a way to show Steve that excuting his play is the right way to go. Sunday's loss is a good leason to Steve though.

Ideally, SF should do what JVG says even he doesn' believe it. But we all know SF is stubborn. He needs more time to change. His tremendous talent worths our patience.