Musings behind the bench from the Raptors vs Rockets game

I am not sure how Cat thinks of Steve. I don't think Cat was happy about Steve's play either. He is more than willing to change his play style by raising his assists. But if Steve is the #1 option, he has to go along with it.

 

Great insider stuff. Finally we can confirm what kind of players they are. I think JVG should bench any players who do NOT follow his instructions. We may lose games but there should be ONE voice in the team.

 

OK. at lease, cat admitted they had done something wrong, not just unlucky.

 

Reading that info makes me want to slap Francis.

 

I'd really be surprised if you heard JVG say anything... the guy isn't going to yell out plays so everyone can hear...

 

I was wondering when someone was going to say this. However, I've had nice enough seats behind the bench to know that you CAN almost hear everything the coach says, and if it's during crunch time all the more so. It's not like someone from the other team would be trying to hear what the his opponent's coach was going to say anyways.

 

what if tranamerica is actually an insider just poing as a business man? I find it odd that his "business" has him going to two different cities in a row that just happen to be the same 2 cities with games,on top of that,behind the rockets bench of all places.

I suspect he is either an actual insider just disguising himself,or a lier.

 

ROXTIA,

You got that right. We've shown some progress... but in this game we reverted to dumb, selfish basketball.

Score for this one:

INMATES > JVG

D R

 

Well, I've seen Mobley pass into Yao several times this year. Sometimes for assists, sometimes Mobley threw errant passes, and sometimes Yao just wasn't quick enough to get the pass (which, if I'm not mistaken, means Mobley gets credited with the turnover....even though it isn't his fault.

That being said, I'd like to see more Mobley to Yao assists. Several times I've seen Mobley passing to someone else or shooting himself when Yao was open. But more often than not, my frustration isn't so much with guards. Most of my frustration stems from the fact that when Mobley (or another guard) is obviously trying to make a pass into Yao, Yao just can't seem to get position. Yao is getting muscled around by much smaller players, and it VERY obviously rattles him.

For the record, Mobley has three assists to Yao so far this season. For Mobley's 28 assists, here's the breakdown:

Yao - 3
Cato - 5
SF - 5
JJ - 8
Nachbar - 2
Mooch - 1
Taylor - 1
Braggs - 1
Padgett - 2

Honestly, I think Mobley is spreading the floor with his assists about as well as ANY shot guard could be expected to.

I certainly don't think he's an insider, and I'm not ready to out and out call him a liar, however, I do lump him in with the rest of the posters around here who just make stuff up to make their case against Mobley. The truth is, Mobley is a great player, and a great asset for the Rockets....ESPECIALLY when you consider his contract. But, Mobley is far from perfect, and he has plenty of room for improvement. I guess the truth just doesn't grab as much attention as all of the made up stuff though.

 

While I appreciate your TOR game report and it tends to reinforce my suspicion that the players were not executing what JVG wanted, your Mobley observations are inaccurate. And I'm hardly a Mobley apologist.

First, in Van Gundy's current half-court set, Mobley is almost exclusively on the weakside when Yao is in the low block. Seldom (almost never) are Yao, Francis and Mobley are strong side.

Consequently, the opportunities for low post entry passes from the 2 spot are very infrequent. Partially for floor balance and partially because JJax is a better post entry passer, the low post entry passes almost exclusively come from the PG and SF while the SG remains weakside top of the arc for defensive transition reasons.

Secondly, I did not have time to completely review every tape, but only had to go as far as early Q2 of the second game find the following:

DEN Q1 9:30 - CM post entry to YM > passed return to CM for a pass to KC for a dunk.
DEN Q4 2:19 - CM post entry to YM > pass return and Mobley missed a driving layup.
DEN - YM total minutes = 20.

MEM Q1 9:43 - CM post entry to YM > YM 2 dribbles and scores.
MEM Q1 9:15 - CM post entry to YM > YM scores.
MEM Q1 3:31 - CM/YM PnR > CM passes to Yao who fumbles the ball out of bounds.
MEM Q2 9:45 - CM/YM PnR > CM passes to Yao > Yao fouled rolling to the basket.
MEM - Q4 -0:51.2 - CM post entry to YM > YM scores and fouled.

Regarding TOR, there were a grand total of 3 Mobley/Yao PnR's in regulation and 1 in OT1...

Q1 - 8:58 - Yao bobbled return pass.
Q1 - 6:48 - Mobley fouled driving.
Q1 - 4:35 - Mobley wide open miss.
OT1 - 2:29 - Mobley wide open miss.

In addition, a Mobley/Braggs PnR @ 10:44 Q4 resulted in a Braggs TO.

So IMHO, you may be slightly guilty of selective perception when evaluating a Mobley/Yao PnR or pass attempts.

 

Liar!
Saphead£¡
He is Pine.

 

Trans thanks for the report and thank Gater for you look.

If JVG is going to get to SF, he must use the 3rd pg spot to get a veteran pg. Cut Wilks and bring in vet. Then either bench SF in crunch time or move him to the 2, only if Mobes is struggling. SF is being paid big money and JVG will have to decide if his coaching stay is Houston will be severely damaged by SF ala Rudy T or he systematically and deliberately recast SF's approach to the game.

 

Benching either SF or Cat simply isn't the answer. Should we lose one of the games during their sitting period they'll come back saying "I told you so." No, one of them has to be traded.

 

You know what?

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU.

You made that entire thing up to support your own theories about what goes on in the huddle. And the fact that you claim to have watched every Rockets possession this year and haven't seen Cat make an assist to Yao further weakens your credibility.

Stop lying.

 

Sounds like JVG is making right call at the right time. However, the player(s) are not responding. Especially SF not passing the ball.

We won't play like a team unless player execute the coach's plan.

It sounds like the few wins we have was just by talents, not team work. No teamwork means we'll lose all the close games and very possible to miss the playoff

 

great insider stuff....

all this talk of bad guard play reminded me of something I heard awhile ago.

I went to the world championships in Indinapollis last year. I saw Rudy at one of China's games and took a picture with him...he is a cool dude...but the interesting thing is....

that night after the game I went to a nice restaurant near cole field house and our table was right next to Rudy's! So I overheard him say(and I am paraphrasing here) Yao is good but you'd think a country of a billion people they'd be able to find some guards that can get Yao the ball!...

I'm starting to get discouraged...a billion chinese can't get the ball to yao...and seems like the best in america can't either!

hahaha well just thought that was a interesting comment...

 

Thanks for the info Tran. Keep it coming.

While I don't agree with you that Cat has NEVER passed to Yao, it does happen infrequently enough to be a legitimate concern.

 

I was taking his post with a grain of salt, but you know what? Francis fans will always defend him, cuz he can' do no wrong. Unless you are planning to tell me that JVG drew up plays in the end of 2 consecutive periods (4th quarter and 1OT) for SF to jack up a three with no chance of going in and look disgusted. Or that he told Cato to foul Bosh 2 secs into the possession with ONLY like 16 secs left on the clock and the Rox up by 2, where I thought if he was gonna foul, he should do it with like 5 secs left. As for Cat's assist to Yao, I guess you don't watch too many games live. Cuz if you're sitting at the Toyota center, without nba.com to check the box score and can tell exactly how many assists Cat had to Yao, you're pretty amazing.

But what do I know? SF and Cat can do no wrong. Let's give them another 4 lottery seasons cuz we know they'll turn it around and take us to the playoffs IN 4 YEARS.

 

Sorry but I told you so! Its been going on for a long time. The Mobes and Franchise Show has had its run . If they wont adapt they must go. By the end of the season the picture will be clear to JVG and he will know that his observations from last years tapes were WRONG. at least his conclusions were. My only positive thaught is that the complete Team hasn't played yet. Mobley will be more effective coming off the bench.

 

Why is everyone so quick to believe this guy ?

You sat PROBABLY 3 rows back ? What, so now you're gonna tell us you don't remember how to count to 3 ?

Are you sure you really heard JVG, or was it your courtside partner talking ?