on the homepage of their website no sleep records calls themselves a "west coast based independent record label". therefore bands on their roster would technically qualify as "indie". i disagree w/ the notion that "indie" is a sound or genre - although i do recognize that many associate "the indie sound" with that smiths-style jangly guitar and fey singer prancing around in skinny jeans.
Swishahouse is a Houston, Texas-based independent southern rap record label. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swishahouse so technically, Slimg Thug, Paul Wall, and Lil KeKe are 'indie' too.
i would agree. swishahouse is an independent label, so those are "indie" acts - as opposed to say jay-z or kanye or 50 cent, who are all on majors.
getting air play on every hip hop radio station in the country, on MTV and BET actually qualifies you as major. regardless of what label you're signed too. Slim Thug is now signed to Interscope. Those are MAJOR acts. my point wasn't that La Dispute was signed to an independent label, but that they were signed to a label period. The rest I think we agree on as far as 'indie' connotations are concerned. so, are you going to La Dispute, Touche Amore, Envy, And So I Watch You From Afar? youre in Austin amirite?
im not the one bringing up slim thug...you are. my point is that "indie" is not a sound or genre and if it is, it is probably the most broad/all-encompassing genre out there. it is possible for a band to be a post-rock band and an indie band. tortoise comes to mind for me. i see it as corporate vs. non-corporate, but even then alot of "indie" labels have corporate backing. arcade fire is generally thought of as an "indie" band and they are on an "indie" label (merge), but right now they have the #1 record in the country. how indie is that? are they no longer "indie" b/c they are as big as they are? or is it their sound that makes them "indie"?
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Label size doesn't make one indie or not these days. It is the sound. There is an indie sound and mainstream sound. Sort of like Interpol, Arcade Fire and Arctic Monkeys and the likes are still considered indie. A good barometer I always felt is if you ask ten people if they know of a particular band or artist and only 1 or 2 of them have heard of the band then that is usually indie.
Bill's good folks! 'Who Is He And What Is He To You' is one of my favs from him. 'Use Me' is another.
tortoise is not post rock. they are more progressive and electronic/jazz than anything. unless of course, you think all instrumental rock groups = post-rock. if your position is based off merely what label they are signed to(my point with slim thug) then yes almost every post-rock band is 'indie'. But, post-rock is not indie rock. probably no post-rock band will concede to that distinction. hell, most post-rock bands don't even like being called post-rock.
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arcade fire has the #1 album in the country, but they exemplify the "indie sound" (if there can be such a thing). and merge is an "indie" label, so a.c. qualifies as an "indie" band. but how "indie" is it to have the most popular album in the country? and arctic monkeys and interpol are on majors, so technically they are not "indie" bands. my point is that "indie" isnt really a sound - if i ask someone what their band sounds like and they tell me "indie" that really gives me no clue as to what they do as opposed to someone telling me they are in a western swing band, a dub reggae band or a ambient black metal band. indie is such a meaningless, generic term. in the strictest sense it is about label-affiliation and the way you go about as a band (the D.I.Y. aesthetic). you have officially lost your "indie cred" w/ me. tortoise has been described as "post rock" since they first came out almost 20 years ago. hell, they were probably the first band to be described as such. the "post rock" movement started with them and to a lesser degree june of 44 or slint. well first you said slim thug was on an indie label then said he wasnt - i dont keep up w/ him enough to know either way. but yes, most every "post-rock" band is "indie" due to the fact that they are on "indie" labels.
if someone tells me they are in an "indie" rock band i think "oh, so you buy all your clothes at american apparel and you dont own a guitar tuner".
this is from your own quote: I'm also certain the Bark Psychosis was the first band to be labeled 'post-rock'. Them and My Bloody Valentine are really the ones who started the 'post-rock' movement. I'm not familiar with Tortoise's early work, but I have some of their newer stuff and they aren't post-rock. Maybe they were at one time and progressed into something else(they remind me more of Jagga Jazzist), but they are def. not PR now. Do you consider these 2 new songs from TWDY post-rock? (they aren't). also from the wiki page you citied:
i would agree - they were heavily indebted to prog, as well as jazz and dub and electronica and spaghetti westerns and afrobeat and a few other genres. but they were most certainly considered post-rock - if any one band started the post-rock movement it was tortoise, so i dont know how one could say that they are not. it was this notion that musicians from punk and 'indie' backgrounds would do this very non-punk and non-indie style of music - jazz or dub or whatever - and still present it in a punk/indie club environment - that was definitely a new concept in the mid 90's and that is where the term post-rock came from - they were moving beyond rock...post-rock. mbv were shoegazers - loveless came out in 1991 and the term post-rock didnt come into use until the mid-90's. if the label has been applied to mbv it was retroactively done. i think of jagga jazzist as post rock too. personally, i see two different spectrums w/in post rock - the jazzy/angular/musical virtuoso side w/ tortoise, slint, gaster del sol, ect which came up in the mid 90's (when the term "post-rock" was first applied) and the epic guitar-based noise-bliss side w/ mogwai, explosions in the sky, mono which started taking off in the late 90's. nowadays that is where the label is more commonly applied, but there are still bands out there doing the jazzy end. and tortoise's first 3 albums are excellent - especially this one... they have admittedly lost a step on the last couple records, but ill still go see them whenever they come thru town.
led zepplin- no quarter, since ive been loving you p. floyd- the wall and drk side of the moon tom petty- greatesthits bill withers- greatest hits
