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[MUSIC]Bob Dylan

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Manny Ramirez, Nov 22, 2011.

  1. babyicedog

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    There is no question that Bob Dylan had the most important influence on songwriting among any lyricist in history. You ask any of the most important lyricists of rock and roll: Jagger, McCartney, Lennon, Davies, Townshend, Springsteen, Costello, Strummer, Simon, Stipe, Bono, Knopfler, Fagen, Morrison, Hendrix, Henley, Hynde, Plant, Anderson, Waters, Peart, Van Zandt, Young, Hunter (Grateful Dead), Robertson, etc.- and there is not one of them who will not say that Dylan was a huge influence on their lyrics, with many saying that he is #1 in their book (Townshend, Lennon, Springsteen, Costello, etc.). He was the name that came up again and again when I read interviews with all these artists, to the point where I said, "man, I have to get some cassettes from this guy" when I wasn't even that familiar with him. There may be personal favorites (mine is Townshend, I just like his lyrics a bit better than Dylan's, but not much), but there is absolutely no question that Dylan is by far the most influential lyricist in the history of music.
     
  2. Batman Jones

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    True. He is also one of the most influential singers, the first to break through singing with a voice that wasn't traditionally pleasant. Without him, there'd be no Leonard Cohen, Tom Waits, Tom Petty, Elvis Costello, Neil Young, Joe Jackson, Lou Reed, Bruce Springsteen... need I go on?

    And to the poster(s) that called for other people to sing his songs, for me it's Dylan's voice, entirely original phrasing and sense of rhythm even more than his lyrics that make him a favorite.

    Most of the time I can't stand covers of Dylan. They just make me think how much is lost in translation, how much of his poetry lives in his voice.
     
  3. jo mama

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    blood on the tracks faints.

    the alternate/acoustic version is superior to the proper release in every way possible.

    she is going to do 'you gonna make me lonesome when you go'. that is going to be embarrassingly awesome! going to be fun watching that little teenybopper try to pull that off.

    my favorite album is a toss-up b/t blood on the tracks or highway 61...depends on my mood.

    love and theft if my favorite post 70's dylan album - sugar baby is one of my all time favorite dylan tunes as well as one of the all-time great album closers.
     
  4. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    I saw them at Hofheinz Pavilion in January of '74. Incredible. Simply amazing. One of my favorite Dylan songs? It's one I've quoted here more than once. He wrote it in 1965 and why it didn't make it to an LP until 1967 has always made me wonder.

    Positively 4th Street

    You got a lotta nerve
    To say you are my friend
    When I was down
    You just stood there grinning

    You got a lotta nerve
    To say you got a helping hand to lend
    You just want to be on
    The side that’s winning

    You say I let you down
    You know it’s not like that
    If you’re so hurt
    Why then don’t you show it

    You say you lost your faith
    But that’s not where it’s at
    You had no faith to lose
    And you know it

    I know the reason
    That you talk behind my back
    I used to be among the crowd
    You’re in with

    Do you take me for such a fool
    To think I’d make contact
    With the one who tries to hide
    What he don’t know to begin with

    You see me on the street
    You always act surprised
    You say, “How are you?” “Good luck”
    But you don’t mean it

    When you know as well as me
    You’d rather see me paralyzed
    Why don’t you just come out once
    And scream it

    No, I do not feel that good
    When I see the heartbreaks you embrace
    If I was a master thief
    Perhaps I’d rob them

    And now I know you’re dissatisfied
    With your position and your place
    Don’t you understand
    It’s not my problem

    I wish that for just one time
    You could stand inside my shoes
    And just for that one moment
    I could be you

    Yes, I wish that for just one time
    You could stand inside my shoes
    You’d know what a drag it is
    To see you


    - Bob Dylan
     
  5. Rashmon

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    Of war and peace the truth just twists
    Its curfew gull just glides
    Upon four-legged forest clouds
    The cowboy angel rides
    With his candle lit into the sun
    Though its glow is waxed in black
    All except when 'neath the trees of Eden.

    The lamppost stands with folded arms
    Its iron claws attached
    To curbs 'neath holes where babies wail
    Though it shadows metal badge
    All and all can only fall
    With a crashing but meaningless blow
    No sound ever comes from the Gates of Eden.

    The savage soldiers sticks his head in sand
    And then complains
    Unto the shoeless hunter who's gone deaf
    But still remains
    Upon the beach where hound dogs bay
    At ships with tatooed sails
    Heading for the Gates of Eden.

    With a time-rusted compass blade
    Alladin and his lamp
    Sits with Utopian hermit monks
    Side saddle on the Golden Calf
    And on their promises of paradise
    You will not hear a laugh
    All except inside the Gates of Eden.

    Relationships of ownership
    They whisper in the wings
    To those condemned to act accordingly
    And wait for succeeding kings
    And I will try to harmonize with songs
    The lonesome sparrow sings
    There are no kings inside the Gates of Eden.

    The motorcycle black madonna
    Two-wheeled gypsy queen
    And her silver-studded phantom cause
    The gray flannel dwarf to scream
    As he weeps to wicked birds of prey
    Who pick up on his bread crumb sins
    And there are no sins inside the Gates of Eden.

    The kingdoms of Experience
    In the precious wind they rot
    While paupers change possessions
    Each one wishing for what the other has got
    And the princess and the prince
    Discuss what's real and what is not
    It doesn't matter inside the Gates of Eden.

    The foreign sun, it squints upon
    A bed that is never mine
    As friends and other strangers
    From their fates try to resign
    Leaving men wholly totally free
    To do anything they wish to do but die
    And there are no trials inside the Gates of Eden.

    At dawn my lover comes to me
    And tells me of her dreams
    With no attempts to shovel the glimpse
    Into the ditch of what each one means
    At times I think there are no words
    But these to tell what's true
    And there are no truths outside the Gates of Eden.
     
  6. rimrocker

    rimrocker Member

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    Speaking of quasi-popular Dylan songs, I always thought this one was awesome:

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  7. across110thstreet

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    Who killed Davey Moore?
    unreleased, appeared on Bootleg Series 1-3 and 6
    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Vr5Nb8652JI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


    Who killed Davey Moore
    Why an’ what’s the reason for?

    “Not I,” says the referee
    “Don’t point your finger at me
    I could’ve stopped it in the eighth
    An’ maybe kept him from his fate
    But the crowd would’ve booed, I’m sure
    At not gettin’ their money’s worth
    It’s too bad he had to go
    But there was a pressure on me too, you know
    It wasn’t me that made him fall
    No, you can’t blame me at all”

    Who killed Davey Moore
    Why an’ what’s the reason for?

    “Not us,” says the angry crowd
    Whose screams filled the arena loud
    “It’s too bad he died that night
    But we just like to see a fight
    We didn’t mean for him t’ meet his death
    We just meant to see some sweat
    There ain’t nothing wrong in that
    It wasn’t us that made him fall
    No, you can’t blame us at all”

    Who killed Davey Moore
    Why an’ what’s the reason for?

    “Not me,” says his manager
    Puffing on a big cigar
    “It’s hard to say, it’s hard to tell
    I always thought that he was well
    It’s too bad for his wife an’ kids he’s dead
    But if he was sick, he should’ve said
    It wasn’t me that made him fall
    No, you can’t blame me at all”

    Who killed Davey Moore
    Why an’ what’s the reason for?

    “Not me,” says the gambling man
    With his ticket stub still in his hand
    “It wasn’t me that knocked him down
    My hands never touched him none
    I didn’t commit no ugly sin
    Anyway, I put money on him to win
    It wasn’t me that made him fall
    No, you can’t blame me at all”

    Who killed Davey Moore
    Why an’ what’s the reason for?

    “Not me,” says the boxing writer
    Pounding print on his old typewriter
    Sayin’, “Boxing ain’t to blame
    There’s just as much danger in a football game”
    Sayin’, “Fistfighting is here to stay
    It’s just the old American way
    It wasn’t me that made him fall
    No, you can’t blame me at all”

    Who killed Davey Moore
    Why an’ what’s the reason for?

    “Not me,” says the man whose fists
    Laid him low in a cloud of mist
    Who came here from Cuba’s door
    Where boxing ain’t allowed no more
    “I hit him, yes, it’s true
    But that’s what I am paid to do
    Don’t say ‘murder,’ don’t say ‘kill’
    It was destiny, it was God’s will”

    Who killed Davey Moore
    Why an’ what’s the reason for?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davey_Moore_(boxer,_born_1933)#Last_fight_and_death
     
  8. Batman Jones

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    It was never even on a proper album, only the greatest hits and other collections. In 1967 it would have been a single.
     
  9. Batman Jones

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    Another outtake, from Blonde on Blonde, that only ever appeared on The Bootleg Series (1-3):

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  10. babyicedog

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    You have to love the Onion and their sarcasm:

    LOS ANGELES—Although his father, Bob Dylan, is widely considered to be the voice of a generation, Jakob Dylan, lead singer of folk-rock band the Wallflowers, said Monday he remains unconvinced that his father is the family's most talented songwriter. "I definitely think the verdict is still out," said Dylan, adding that time will be the ultimate judge of whether he or the elder Dylan will turn out to be more influential. "Sure, by the time Dad was 21, he had already written 'Blowin' in the Wind,' but let's not forget I'm only 38. I'm still maturing as an artist, and I have a whole notebook of ideas." Dylan added that he may have caused a greater stir in the music world than his father ever did when he was mercilessly booed for performing an acoustic version of "One Headlight" at Pennsylvania's Fayette County Fair in 2005
     
  11. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    Great, great, great song - it's in my top 50 of favorite Dylan songs, for sure.
     
  12. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    My Dylan playlist - 50 songs total:

    Tangled Up in Blue
    Mr. Tambourine Man
    Lay Lady Lay
    I Shall Be Released (version from The Basement Tapes)
    Blind Willie McTell
    Brownsville Girl
    Knockin' On Heaven's Door
    Sara
    Blowin' In The Wind
    Hurricane
    Jokerman
    My Back Pages
    She's Your Lover Now
    Girl From The North Country (Johnny Cash version)
    Like a Rolling Stone
    Million Dollar Bash
    All Along The Watchtower
    Idiot Wind
    Just Like A Woman
    Every Grain Of Sand
    Ring Them Bells
    All I Really Want To Do
    Tight Connection To My Heart
    Positively 4th Street
    Forever Young (slower version)
    You Ain't Goin' Nowhere
    You're A Big Girl
    If Not For You
    Caribbean Wind
    The Times They Are A-Changin'
    Maggie's Farm
    Song To Woody
    Quinn The Eskimo (Basement Tapes version)
    Neighborhood Bully
    The Groom's Still Waiting At The Altar
    Abandoned Love
    The Levee's Gonna Break
    Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again
    Series Of Dreams
    The Man In Me
    Angelina
    Jolene
    I Shall Be Free
    The Lonesome Death Of Hattie Carroll
    Copper Kettle (The Pale Moonlight)
    Highway 61 Revisited
    Call Letter Blues
    Gotta Serve Somebody
    Something There Is About You
    This Wheel's On Fire
     

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