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Murder by the numbers

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by gwayneco, Mar 24, 2012.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    And the post of the thread goes to...

    Great post.
     
  2. Steve_Francis_rules

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    Since when is 80/13 = 13? :confused:
     
  3. ChievousFTFace

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    For somebody that complains that people were linking the HuffPo because of it's slant, you should probably take a look at the OP's link...

    I'll just link it for you:
    http://pjmedia.com/

    Perhaps you'd like to read the first few articles linked on it, such as:

    1. How the Left Can Shut Down Rush Limbaugh
    2. Biden to Seniors: GOP wants to take your dignity
    3. Obama Admin Embraces Critical Race Theory to Fundamentally Transform a Nation of Cowards
     
  4. subtomic

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    The article (and its author) is either a red-herring or just misses the point entirely.

    While there was a racial aspect to Zimmerman's behavior and while this has been played up by a few sources, the real outrage over the Zimmerman-Martin shooting is almost entirely over the failure of the Florida law enforcement to adequately investigate an individual for what appears to be an unjustified (from a legal standpoint) killing.

    Furthermore, statistics consistently show that African-Americans are more likely than whites to be arrested and prosecuted for similar crimes (and also face harsher charges - for an example, see Racial Disparity in Federal Criminal Charging and Its Sentencing Consequences). This is especially true if the African-American is accused and/or guilty of victimizing a white person (for an example, see STUDY: BLACKS WHO KILL WHITES ARE MOST LIKELY TO BE EXECUTED.

    So the issue here isn't race and crime - it's the racial aspect in the failure of law enforcement and that's where the focus has been in the coverage of this (as well as Zimmerman's less-than-stable reputation). And given the history of inequitable treatment in charges and prosecution, I think African Americans are fully justified in asking "What the hell?"

    The conservatives praising this article should know better, but I guess it's just too much fun to bait all of us earnest liberals, isn't it?
     
  5. gwayneco

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    You're right. I had reversed the numbers. I will fix the original.
     
  6. RedRedemption

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    This thread is just a blatant red herring.
    Wow.
    Has nothing to do with what we're discussing in the Trayvon Martin thread... sad how conservatives think that we're using Zimmermann to represent the majority of all white people; that's ****ing stupid. Only a ****ing moron... oh wait. I'm talking to a bunch of hard headed conservatives here.

    The point being that the argument is for the PD that screwed this investigation up and the possibility that race was a factor.

    Also congratulations. You know how to copy and paste. Doesn't matter if your reading comprehension is equivalent to a five year old.
     
  7. KingCheetah

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    Without a doubt black on black crime is an enormous problem in black culture. In ultra high crime areas with high numbers of gangs the violence is comparable to tribal warfare.
     
  8. meh

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    I agree. But that's kind of my point. I would expect regular people to not come to such radical conclusions.
     
  9. meh

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    The fact is there are over 300 million people in the US. So looking at the numbers in the article, it would be seem the logical conclusion is that most Americans are good, decent human beings that don't go around shooting people. Hence, anyone that does do so should not be considered a norm of the general population regardless of how you slice it.
     
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  10. gwayneco

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    Absolutely. My only point was to show that one of the reasons that blacks are "profiled" is because they do commit more crime proportionally than whites. This does not mean that whites should assume that any one black person or group of black persons should be assumed guilty of such behavior. However, people are fallible and this failing does not happen due to racism alone.
     
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    mhmm.
     
  12. gwayneco

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    Are you seriously arguing that blacks do not commit crime at a higher rate - especially homicides than whites?
     
  13. OmegaSupreme

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    so how does gwayneco respond?

    so gwayneco, the facts are not broad generalizations? but...

    so do you agree with the above, gwayneco? :confused:

    lolol. seriously? less than a two pages before this picture-perfect example of a...






    wait for it...










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    thread went to complete crap after that.
     
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  14. gwayneco

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    Don't really know what your point is.

    I was motivated by something Donna Britt said on The News Hour. She seemed to be saying that the reason black parents have "The Talk" with their children is because whites are horrible. In truth white people are wrong to assume that any one particular black person or group of black persons is a criminal. However, while wrong, it is not the case that that faulty analysis is based on solely on racial animus.

    If people are tired of being profiled, perhaps they as a community should commit fewer crimes - crimes that by the way are usually committed against other blacks. Just a thought. I mean if blacks were committing crimes at rates lower than whites/ Hispanics but were still subject to higher scrutiny, then they would have a more powerful argument proving racial animus.
     
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    I'm curious... Were you born or taught to be this stupid?
     
  16. RedRedemption

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    Or how about let's not blame an entire race for the bad seeds in them. This is the most illogical argument I have ever heard. White people used to own slaves does that make white people inherently evil? No.
     
  17. gwayneco

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    All I am saying is that before they play the race card against whites and the police (who risk their lives trying to protect them), they should take a long hard look at the social pathologies in their own community.

    Yeah, it sucks that good black folks often become suspects through no action of their own. But I would think black on black crime would suck worse.

    What does slavery have to with anything? We are not talking about something that ended almost 150 years ago. We are talking about something that's happening today.
     
  18. krosfyah

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    Wow. Genious.

    Let us know when you are ready to join, ya know, the real world.
     
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    Prison by the numbers (probability of going to prison)---

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    this can be solved with social pathology research!

    or, ya know, laws that made sense.
     
  20. gwayneco

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    I've been focusing on violent crime - especially murder, not cocaine possession.

    And the solution to your alleged problem is bleeding obvious - don't possess crack cocaine. How hard is that?
     

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