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Mukasey doesn't know what torture means

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by insane man, Oct 18, 2007.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    Following up on this point if Mukasey is rejected Bush could still make a recess apointment when Congress is out of session and he would be in office until the next Congress convened in 2009. If Bush is set on Mukasey he will be the AG for the rest of Bush's term whether Congress rejects him or not.
     
  2. insane man

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    what is up with feinstein the last year. she has completely gone to the right. i dont understand it.

    and i do think this is very significant, so schumer and feinstein should be treated like those who turned their back to the party and principles.

    if bush wants to recess appoint thats within his power. of course its improper usage of recess appointment but let him. it'll show that this AG does not have the support from the senate due to the fact that he does not intend to uphold the laws that congress has the authority to write..
     
  3. mc mark

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    nevermind
     
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    Lost among all he election bruhaha Mukasey testified in front of congress again today. Seems he has become a loyal stooge for the Bush Admin.

    • Says Torture Justifiable
    • Waterboarding "Unresolved"
    • Waterboarding "Would Feel" Like Torture
    • Refuses to Brief Congress on CIA Torture
     
  5. basso

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    this cold easily be resolved. the happy pelosi congress just needs to go on record, and pass a law outlawing the practice, and torture in general. while they're at it, they could provide a definition of torture, so the EU, and the enemy will know exactly what's permissable and what's not.

    but does nancy boy have the courage of your convictions?
     
  6. mc mark

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    Basically that's what Mukasey said --

    Either pass a law banning it or stop talking about it.


    BTW can you define torture?
     
  7. basso

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    i'm sure congress can, errr, or not...and Mukasey has a point.
     
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    We've already signed treaties to the effect that we won't torture, and waterboarding definitely falls under torture as mentioned in at least the Geneva Convention.

    The idea that our leaders shouldn't follow signed treaties unless congress also passes a law is stupid. It basically nullifies the validity of every treaty we've signed, unless the subject matter also happens to be a law.
     
  9. basso

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    waterboarding is defined as torture in the geneva conventions?
     
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    not specifically but it would meet the standard.
     
  11. jo mama

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    we already had laws defining and outlawing torture - the republican congress passed the 1996 war crimes act. your precious bush changed the definition of torture to be anything short of organ failure or death. and your precious bush's attorneys argued that there is no law, treaty or act of congress which prevents the president from sexually torturing children.

    furthermore, the army field manual is very specific when it comes to torture.

    why do you dismiss laws passed by a republican congress and what is written in the army field manual?
     
  12. El_Conquistador

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    1. Schumer's constituency in NY is one that values security, after having seen terror at their doorstep. This is real to them, not some ivory-tower academic debate. Real. So pouring water on a terrorists' face once a year is something that many of them would live with to avoid another 9-11. Generally speaking, the citizens of a terror-touched community are less inclined to give sympathy to terrorists. In that sense, they are out of step with the majority of the liberal party's terrorist pamperers.

    2. Waterboarding, in and of itself, should not be the litmus test for appointing a judge. Can you imagine spending a lifetime building your resume to become judge, only to have it stripped away by the hot-botton issue of the day for a fanatical few? It's nonsense. It's one of thousands of issues, yet some want to make it the deciding issue. Absurd.
     
  13. jo mama

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    also of issue should be the fact that like chertoff, mukasey holds dual citizenship w/ the u.s. and israel. i have nothing against dual citizens of any nation, but i dont think they should be allowed to serve in such high offices as attorney general. dual citizen = dual allegiance.

    he should relinquish his dual citizen status, even if only while he serves as our nations a.g.

    and yes texx, his position on waterboarding is of issue - sorry.
     
  14. insane man

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    schumer is a douchebag. can ny dems wage a legit campaign against him similar to connecticut?

    bloomberg for senate?
     

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