Anyone who fights in the name of religion is really truly stupid. The whole point of religion is to become a better person, not kill your neighbors. It's a testament to the utter blindedness of the human mind that people can some how warp the notion of spirituality with violence. And those who wish to spread their religion like a virus or disease via finding a host to load their victims with. There's nothing holier then life itself, and those that justify taking it in anything but the most somber and absolute necessary of terms are not acting in the name of god but in the name of their ego.
No, you are the one arguing to argue. I posted that Christianity and Islam are not based on reason, direct observation and the understanding of natural order. You respond that Christianity was. I state that Christianity is based on the Jewish myth that man fell from grace from a god and are now just born sinful and are condemned. That is not an investigation of reality. It's not a part of seeking deeper insight into the human psyche. The idea of a creator itself is not based on observance of natural laws, not cause and effect, and nobody has observed the afterlife called heaven. It is not based on reason.
Where did I say Christianity was? I said that certain Gospels were based on observation! It's what they purport/claim to be. That's it!!! That's all I said. You can choose to believe the accounts or you can say they were confused or you can say they were liars.
If you invest your time, mind and body to a religion because you deeply believe in it, it becomes a way of life. Just as there people who'd die for their nation, culture, and family, religion can become all three of those things and something more. Since a person's perspective is viewed through his lens of experience, it's that experience that can corrupt a religion. It can also serve a religion's long held principles, but it works both ways.... It's also for that reason that people seek to organize religion in order to lock its traditions. Yet the dogma in religion wasn't conservative if you go back far enough. It was in fact innovative at the time. A fresh breath of air in that time.... Anyways, I don't think people die for a religion just for the sake of religion. Not directed at you, but I've seen this argument in strong atheists who have a stubborn wish to eliminate all religion in order to Save the world of death and misery. A lot of cases of martyrdom can be looked upon the view of exasperation of the martyr with the condition of the world and around the things he/she loves: his family, his people, and his nation.
The Prophet Mohammed has seen heaven. Feel free to ask about the accuracy of Qura'anic texts dating back to when the first 5 were written. If you're going to say that he simply wasn't telling the truth, then I don't think that's a conversation worth having. Who decided that the truth can be reached only through reason, direct observation and the understanding of natural order? You?
Meowgi, I have a question: so if you don't see it and it can't be observed (yet) it means it's not true? Is 'truth' defined by man and his inherent limitations? Is absence of proof proof of absence? How is 'truth' defined, and can it ever be attained? I would obviously strongly disagree with your view that Islam doesn't place much emphasis on 'reason'; the first verse of the Quran is a direct command to Muhammad to seek knowledge, and there are a number of verses throughout the Quran that exalt the 'knowledge seekers'. But that's another discussion altogether...
I think the "knowledge Seekers" that Quran discussed was addressing the seekers that were trying to acquire about knowledge that does not benefit, leaving all the needed knowledge that benefits humanity and trying to have questions answered 1400 years ago about "what will happen if a man was flying and he urinated on someone, would the man that he urinated on has to wash for the prayers?
you mean idiots like people who blow themselves up for their gods to give them 7 dark virgins.... yada y ada yaadda!!!
you are exactly right This promise is only true for someone who dies defending his home, family or his country when it is being attacked, not going into innocent people's homes or work places and killing them in a cold blooded act without even giving them the means to defend themselves.
