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MSNBC: US Troops Fire on Iraqi Wedding, More Than 40 Killed

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MacBeth, May 19, 2004.

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  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Just to be clear MacBeth, you are referring to the former as being more likely? Is that right MacBeth? The former, in this case, being the wedding party? Very fascinating how you form these opinions, MacBeth. Please share your methodology.
     
    #21 El_Conquistador, May 19, 2004
  2. MacBeth

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    Sigh.


    No, T_J, again, you misunderstand.


    I was saying that it was morelikely for the military ( under duress, of one body, at a time of greeat importance) to mistake a wedding for another group, ie the militants they are citing, than it is for the media( diparate, from several regions with several differing agendas, and more likely to be embarrassed if proven incorrect, as simply more likely to be so proven if wrong) to mistake an attack on a militant group with an attack on a wedding.
     
    #22 MacBeth, May 19, 2004
  3. Bailey

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    MacBeth,

    Can I ask you a question? Why do you bother?
     
    #23 Bailey, May 19, 2004
  4. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Oh, is that right, MacBeth? Then I was correct in my logic in my last post, MacBeth, wasn't I? Yes. So, can you share with us, MacBeth, what particular insight you have into this situation which makes your opinion so strong? Why do you think the media has a higher standard of integrity than the United States Military, MacBeth? Many people would find this to be very insulting. I know you don't, however, MacBeth. So help us help you, MacBeth. Give us some insight into your decision making process here and share all of the evidence that you have utilized to form this very confident opinion. Thanks MacBeth.
     
    #24 El_Conquistador, May 19, 2004
  5. Preston27

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    Just to be clear Trader_Jorge, you are believing everything the American government states? Is that right Trader_Jorge? Also, Trader_Jorge, you think that having an opinion is anti-American, correct? And Trader_Jorge, you think the only reason any liberal would believe that this was a wedding and not anti-American forces is because liberals like making up conspiracy theories, right?
     
    #25 Preston27, May 19, 2004
  6. thegary

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    uh oh, i think we're gonna see another picture of a nuclear detonation soon :cool:
     
    #26 thegary, May 19, 2004
  7. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Folks, this is an important day in the history of this forum. We are witnessing the unveiling of the latest weapon in psychological warfare.
     
    #27 pgabriel, May 19, 2004
  8. AroundTheWorld

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    You forgot the "us". He's bothered me more in the past. The past few days, he has been more or less ok, I would say ;).
     
    #28 AroundTheWorld, May 19, 2004
  9. MacBeth

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    According to one definition, I am insane.
     
    #29 MacBeth, May 19, 2004
  10. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    pgabriel, your signature is an insult to the honorable service that millions of Americans have given to the National Guard.
     
    #30 El_Conquistador, May 19, 2004
  11. Bailey

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    Ah, I see.

    Carry on then. Oh, and do you need my e-mail address?
     
    #31 Bailey, May 19, 2004
  12. MacBeth

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    Funny, but from what I heard ( grounded for failure to attend, etc.) I thought equating Bush with serving in the national Guard was the insult to same.

    I am sure many served with honor and devotion. I am also sure that Bush specifically requested to not be assigned to combat duties, which is NOT the case for all National Guards. Some might find a distinction there, too.
     
    #32 MacBeth, May 19, 2004
  13. SamFisher

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    Ho ho ho, pgabriel! I guess this means Operation:Santa Claus was as abject a failure as I had suspected it would be.
     
    #33 SamFisher, May 19, 2004
  14. rimbaud

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    This thread sure did get really weird after he entered. I don't know about you guys, but I feel psychologically abused. Too bad he can't use real names anymore, though...then we would not be able to fathom the historicity.
     
    #34 rimbaud, May 19, 2004
  15. MacBeth

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    Simply put, T_J, because obviously some people in the military think like you do.

    We're talking about the credibility of the military on an issue which would seriously make us look bad, at an important time, right?

    Funny, but I seem to recall something about this...something similar...a whhile back...wait, it'll come to me...

    Oh, yeah. The POW scandal. Myers in National Television lying through his teeth, categorically denying that the POW pics weren't isolated incidents. Same man who;d called a network and requested that the story be ignored for an indefinite period of time. Seems to me that your take T_J, in the face of much criticsm about these practices, was that Myers was doing the right thing, because when our war effort and telling the truth were in conflict, you sacrifice the truth.

    Have I got that correct? Weren't you in agreement with Rumsfeld that the real problem wasn't the torture, but that someone did irreperable damage to our war effort by telling the truth? Isn't that what you've said all along, T_J?


    So now we have a situation where a potentially very damaging event takes place, at a time when our war effort is, at best, on a knofe's edge, and the same man who has approved of past efforts to quash or spin the truth in similar circumstances is now asking me what my possible basis is for trusting the wrod of the meia on this more than our military!?!?!?!


    Does that seem inconsistent to anyone?
     
    #35 MacBeth, May 19, 2004
  16. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    MacBeth, the issue I have with you, is that you formed a conclusive, definitive opinion before the United States Military even had the chance to respond. MacBeth, this strong opinion, which you confidently announced for all to read, was made in the abscence of any tangible evidence. Now, MacBeth, I do thank you for admitting to us that this opinion was in fact, baseless. I thank you for that confession. I urge you to go back and re-read your initial rush to judgment, MacBeth. Please re-read it. You will see your error. Sure you can attempt to rationalize it, MacBeth, it's only human nature to not want to look bad.
     
    #36 El_Conquistador, May 19, 2004
  17. MacBeth

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    Nice try, T_J, but you were hoisted with your own petard, and you know it.
     
    #37 MacBeth, May 19, 2004
  18. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Now MacBeth, surely you are not here to say that one Myers' incident -- the description of which you severely botched MacBeth -- forms the basis of discrediting the United States Military as a whole, now are you MacBeth? You are my friend, MacBeth, and as such, I can not let this shallow line of reasoning stand. MacBeth, for you to feel as though this is sufficient justification for making the wild and outrageous claims that you made is very wrong MacBeth. It is very wrong. Now MacBeth, I know you are capable of so much more. You know it too, MacBeth.
     
    #38 El_Conquistador, May 19, 2004
  19. MacBeth

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    Watching you simultaneoulsy support/praise the military's deception when the truth lowers morale and respond with shock and outrage when, in subsequent event of a similar tone, people question their credibility is breathtaking.

    Honestly, T_J, I wouldn't have the stamina or the nerve. I admire that about you.
     
    #39 MacBeth, May 19, 2004
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    If the conclusion and dispute is that these are terrorists masquerading with props, but with the intent to kill, I would like the United States to refute or accept...
     
    #40 ROXRAN, May 19, 2004
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