[MSNBC Poll] Do you believe President Bush's actions justify impeachment?

The republicans did indeed get the stuffing kicked out of them, but they are not my heros, nor is president bush. i'm not bitter, but i am disgusted, because as much as the republican congress deserved to lose, the democrats have done absolutely nothing to deserve to win. 6 years of purile, juvenile b****ing about fascist evalgelicals does not constitute serious opposition- and it disgusts me that the only alternative to the republicans is the spineless democrats. vietnam is not a paradigm for us success, and yet the democrats seem intent on turning iraq into just such a disaster. the iranians have read our history, and i'm pretty sure the iranians would see the redeployment of us troops to okinawa as a significant victory.

so yes, you can now expect thread after thread highlighting the failures of the democrats, the hypocrisy of your party leaders, and their gutless performance in the face of the real fascists. get serious about the real threats to america and i'll take you seriously. until then, screw you and the ass you're riding in on. With all due courtesy and respect.

 

Basso have you considered the advice you've previously offered to others to get over the bitterness of past elections and instead focus on the future? All you're doing here is just saying you're just going to be bitter about the Democratic party now that they've taken over congress and point out their failures. You're just going to be doing what you've accused others of doing in regard to the Bush Admin.

 

Lets hear it for divided government!

 

The democrats haven't done anything because they have been out of power. What bill can they pass? what legislation can they invoke. they were shut out of power for years. and now you are attacking them for doing nothing? well, look, why don't you at least let them have a day to legislate before you call them do-nothing.

 

basso is a politicist. Seems like he has an irrational hatred of the third of the country that label themselves Democrats. I guess the idea of Iran "thinking" they won is more important then doing what's actually in the best interest of the U.S.

Frankly, the democrat victory doesn't mean a huge exodus of u.s. troop from iraq, it just means changing a failed policy. a policy that had failed so badly, al qaeda challeneged bush to keep american troops in iraq so they could extract more american blood.

I guess Bush is on the side of the terrorists - he wants to do what they want.

 

impeachment will definately serve the country's interests. everyday that bush remains in office he is doing harm to our nation and all it stands for. it is not about revenge. it is about holding those who break the law accountable, even if it is our president. george w. bush thinks he is above the law - he has stated it over and over again. he breaks the law and says he will continue to do it. he needs to be held accountable for that.

its not just bush though - they all need to be held accountable. cheney, rummmy, rice, gonzales - they all need to be put on trial in this country - not in germany.

most of the american public supports impeachment. if our leaders truly follow the will of the people they will proceed with impeachment. too bad the democrats are more concerned about elections than doing the right thing.

 

somebody should have told that to bush before he invaded iraq.

bush already took care of that for them - mission accomplished

 

I wouldn't put too much faith in a non-scientific internet poll. I doubt most Americans support impeachment. If they did you would've seen a lot of candidates campaigning on that issue and Bush's poll ratings far lower than the 31% he is at.

 

No sir, Iraq is wholly a Republican screw-up and failure of the greatest magnitude. Repubs chose to follow the administration in lock-step and will now live with that albatross for years, just as the US will live with the enormous strategic losses it brings. It's nice that the right wing blames liberals for losing Vietnam when more soldiers died after Nixon started the peace process than before, but on Iraq, it won't work. There's no LBJ and no hippies and no LSD and no free sex and no McGovern. You guys own it. You were so proud when you started, what with the back-slapping and self-congratulations about how steely-eyed realists use power (and not coincidentally, put the Dems on the defensive) and now you're looking around for anyone to put the blame on. Not going to happen. Iraq is your baby and it's now too big to strangle in the bathtub. There's no magic bullet here... not strategic redeployment, not more troops. The whole thing is a disaster and the only options are disastrous, just some are, perhaps, less disastrous than others. Nice little present your blind allegiance to the President gave the country and world, eh Republicans?

But go ahead and scream about how the Dems have lost (or will lose) Iraq. It's charming in a Red Scare kind of way and lets everyone with a brain know you're living in a fantasy world.

 

wrong, this country owns it, and has for 3.5 years. that's my point. if the democrats started spending a little more time thinking of themselves as americans first, and democrats second, we'd be a bit closer to healing the political divide in this country.

 

That's very generous of you since if, by some strike of Zeus, it would have turned out well, we all know it would have been a triumph of Bush and the Republicans at the expense of the Dems and you would would have been the biggest **** crowing. And furthermore, this administration never thought of America first... only party power.

The country owns the consequences. The administration and their enablers own the responsibility.

 

Please let the Democrats impeach Bush. They might as well all just resign from congress and dissolve their party.

 

Right, just like the Republicans felt it necessary to impeach Clinton? They sure set a great example of governing in a non-partisan manner.

 

I wasn't commenting on the justification of impeachment, but rather it's political effect going forward.

 

Criticizing the Admin. makes you unamerican?

 

Your hero, and the leadership of his party, have turned this country into the most partisan and divided electorate in modern history, and you can post this with a straight face? As rimrocker pointed out, your hero and his party created this insane mess in Iraq, and you have the balls to suggest it is the fault of the Democratic Party?

I should laugh. It's come to this... you are completely disillusioned by your own party and your "bastion" against all evil, George W. Bush, who has taken this country down such a road to disaster we haven't seen in generations, has proven to be bereft of ideas, and bankrupt in thrall to the special interests, and is suddenly, himself, singing the patriotism of the Democrats, now that he needs them, and all you can do is spin around in mad despair, searching for something, anything, to criticize the political party chosen by the American people to lead them.

Yes, I should laugh. Had your hero been up for reelection a few days ago, he would have been beaten by a yellow dog. You know what? The dog would have provided better leadership.

Enjoy. I certainly am.



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where did i say that?

 

sadly, this started long before W was elected. in October 2000, i attended a benefit at the Met Museum, sponsored by Glamour magazine, honoring women who'd done various good works. My sister was among the honorees, as were a bunch of celebrities. the celebs got up and mode speeches while the normal folk like my sis sat in the audience. Tom Brokaw spoke, as did Karina Gore, who had the grace and charm to avoid politics, in the midst of a very personal campaign- i was quite impressed. then Sharon Stone got up and went on a 20 minute tear-filled diatribe, screaming about abortion rights and the disaster that awaited women if Bush were elected. It was embarassing, but in restrospect, entirely in-line w/ the language we all heard on election night a few weeks later, and ad-naseum for the next 6 years.

this weekend, my wife and i took our children and their cousins to story time at scandinavia house on 38th street. it was a small event to benefit jefferson parish in LA, and was supposed to feature hans christian anderson tales, and other stories for kids. at the beginning, the director got up and made a speech about how we are all so overjoyed at the wonderous events of "last tuesday", and how it wasn't iraq that had caused our nations reputation to suffer but Katrina. "the rest of the world just couldn't believe that this government didn't care about it's people. never mind the myths of katrina- it was grossly inappropriate for a kids event; moreover, did it never occur to this women there might be people in the audience who didn't agree that tuesday had been a "wonderous event?"

so don't try and tell me the political divide has been all one way. democrats have spent the past six years calling bush the worst president in history, hitler, and his supporters fascists. if you want to change the culture, i suggest you start by cleaning your own house.

 

My house is clean, thank you very much. I agree that both the diatribe by Stone you referred to, and the speech at the recent event were both in poor taste. There is no accounting for taste, but I wouldn't have cared for either one, and I'm one of those they were no doubt aimed at.

One of your problems, basso, if I may be so bold, is that you constantly point out percieved problems from the Democrats, while claiming that you really aren't that big a fan of the GOP and they're leadership. The Democrats are "unpatriotic." They are... hell, just fill in the blank. And post-election, they're just any negative damn thing you can dredge up from the blogosphere. Yet you rarely post anything negative about the GOP and it's leadership, while posting endless diatribes against the Democratic Party. Even here, you post, "democrats have spent the past six years calling bush the worst president in history, hitler, and his supporters fascists." What utter bull****. Sure, there are a few who feel that way, and there have been instances where Bush and company did things that certainly justified someone pulling up the comparison, but the way you paint the picture is as extreme as the minority of those on the Left that you seem to despise so much, while painting as the majority.

I'm very glad I'm me, and not you, basso. I don't think I could attempt your spin, and handle your self delusion.




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