I know I'm Mexican, but isn't the other one a Colombian? I don't know what there is to be agreeing or disagreeing about... (yeah, I'm talking to you, MoBalls )... none of us like GANGS... but... it would be difficult to just pick up a person with an "MS-13" tattoo and let it hold up in court. That just ain't right. Maybe just wait until they actually DO something wrong, and catch them, but you just can't pick people up off the street for no reason. I never said: "LEAVE THE MS13 ALONE!!! All they do is help their community...!" a'la Chris Cocker... WWR, you're still talking like a civilian. Don't come around saying "I'm a cop, y'all!" and then talk like you're not.
I with the ones who think these people should be shot on sight. Vandals deface Vietnam war memorial Vietnam vets outraged war over memorial vandalism - story by Carolee Salerno Vietnam war memorial vandalized - story by Carolee Salerno by News Channel 8's Carolee Salerno Posted Dec. 30, 2007 Updated 9:20 AM New Haven (WTNH) _ Veterans are outraged that a war memorial in New Haven has been vandalized. The Vietnam War Memorial at Long Wharf was spray painted with the threatening words "Kill whites MS 13." Seeing this just crushed the veterans we spoke to. The names on that wall that are covered in paint, are the names of those who fought and died for this country in the Vietnam War. Tonight, police are investigating whether this is the work of a violent street gang, but the veterans we spoke to, say whoever they are, aren't as tough as they might think. "This irks me. This hurts me deep to my heart," Vietnam Veteran Emery Linton Sr. said. Linton looked in disgust at the graffiti covering New Haven County's Vietnam War Memorial at Long Wharf. Linton, who served in the Army, fought in Vietnam from 1969 to 1972. He lost friends there and he says the mess, on a memorial to honor veterans who made the ultimate sacrifice for their country, is a slap in the face. "People here respect these names. They gave their lives for everything, for the freedoms they have," Linton said. Whoever did it sprayed "MS-13" all over the place. According to law enforcement, MS 13 is a violent international gang with roots in El Salvador. Members are involved in drug trafficking, weapons trafficking and even human trafficking and their presence is growing in the U-S. Just this summer, police in the Boston area did a big round-up of MS 13 gang members. That said, New Haven police say there hasn't been any documented MS-13 activity so far in the city. But they are investigating this incident. "I don't know who would want to do this," said Lori Grenfell, another veteran who is heart broken over the vandalism. "They have the right to say what they want to say. They can thank these guys for that right." While it's unclear if these are true gang markings, Linton has a message for those responsible. "If it is a gang related thing and if you guys really think you're bad, join the service, get in the action and see what it's really like," Linton said. It's unclear how much money it will cost to get rid of this paint, but members of the New Haven County Vietnam Veterans Group vow they will have it cleaned up. http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?s=7556069
You must have left your SAP button, on, FTP. Every time a police officer arrests someone who disobeyed the law, I'm the first one to defend the PO... but most people will say that the PO was "incorrect"... whatever...
Unfortunately, for some people, we have civil rights in this country we as law enforcement and criminal justice personnel have to abide by.
this is a disturbing theory on many levels. a snitch is a snitch? she had it coming when she opened her mouth? ***** the rules of the street. there are rules to society, man, there are morals, ethics and values that humans must live by. one of them is a little old rule called "thou shall not kill" if i witness a crime, I'm teling the police what I saw. if I get jumped, I'm giving my account of what happened to the cops. and most importantly, if I am trying to better my situation by geting out of a gang and improving my life, I do not deserve to be killed with my unborn baby because of the "rules of the street"
Haven't you heard the old adage "you play with fire you will get burned"? She gangbanged, and gangbanging got her. This wasn't some innocent girl we're talking about. She wasn't just an ordinary witness that happened to see something. This was a girl deeply affiliated with her gangbanging pals and the everyday activities of the gang. The fact that she was pregnant is an afterthought in this matter, although it makes the story that much more tragic . She betrayed her "friends". That's the only relevant reason behind this outcome. When you g*ngbang, you live by different rules. The same goes to drug dealers and prostitutes. There are certain risks they take, and they live and die by these rules.
No you dont deserve to get killed, but you really shouldn't be surprised if it happens. Especially if you are careless enough to leave confession notes and roll with your former gang members. Sad, she probably had no other family and ended up with the same gang.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/CRIME/12/31/gangs.race.ap/index.html Sheriff: L.A. gang killed to 'cleanse' turf of blacks Story Highlights Florencia 13 gang, also known as F13, targeted blacks, officials say Latino gangs' increasing numbers reflect population shift Indictment: F13 leader Arturo Castellanos ordered 'cleansing' from prison 20 murders, 80 shootings linked to gang's rampage LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- In a murderous quest aimed at "cleansing" their turf of snitches and rival gangsters, members of one of Los Angeles County's most vicious Latino gangs sometimes killed people just because of their race, an investigation found. There were even instances in which Florencia 13 leaders ordered killings of black gangsters and then, when the intended victim couldn't be located, said "Well, shoot any black you see," Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca said. "In certain cases some murders were just purely motivated on killing a black person," Baca said. Authorities say there were 20 murders among more than 80 shootings documented during the gang's rampage in the hardscrabble Florence-Firestone neighborhood, exceptional even in an area where gang violence has been commonplace for decades. They don't specify the time frame or how many of the killings were racial. Los Angeles has struggled with gang violence for years, especially during the wars in the late 1980s and early '90s between the Crips and the Bloods -- both black gangs. Latino gangs have gained influence since then as the Hispanic population surged. Evidence of Florencia 13, or F13, is easy to find in Florence-Firestone. Arrows spray-painted on the wall of a liquor store mark the gang's boundary and graffiti warns rivals to steer clear. The gang's name comes from the neighborhood that is its stronghold and the 13th letter of the alphabet -- M -- representing the gang's ties to the Mexican Mafia. Federal, state and local officials worked together to charge 102 men linked to F13 with racketeering, conspiracy to murder, weapons possession, drug dealing and other crimes. In terms of people charged, it's the largest-ever federal case involving a Southern California gang, prosecutors say. More than 80 of those indicted are in custody. But eliminating the gang won't be easy. It's survived for decades and is believed to have about 2,000 members. Its reach extends to Nevada, Arizona and into prisons, where prosecutors say incarcerated gang leaders were able to order hits on black gangsters. According to the indictment, F13's leader, Arturo Castellanos, sent word in 2004 from California's fortress-like Pelican Bay State Prison that he wanted his street soldiers to begin "cleansing" Florence-Firestone of black gangsters, notably the East Coast Crips, and snitches. His followers eagerly obeyed, according to federal prosecutors. In one case, F13 members came across a black man at a bus stop, shouted "Cheese toast!" and fired. "Cheese toast" is a derogatory name for East Coast Crips, Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin S. Rosenberg said. The victim, apparently targeted only because of his skin color, survived being shot several times, Rosenberg said. F13 isn't the only Latino gang linked to racial killings. Last year, four members of The Avenues, a gang from the Highland Park area east of downtown Los Angeles, were convicted of hate crimes for killing a black man in what prosecutors called a campaign to drive blacks from that neighborhood. And last January, authorities announced a crackdown on the 204th Street gang following the killing of a 14-year-old black girl. The violence goes both ways, said Adam Torres, a Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department gang detective whose beat includes Florence-Firestone. During a recent patrol on the east side of the neighborhood, he pointed to a cinderblock wall peppered with bullet holes. Torres said the Crips still control that area and any Hispanic there is at risk of being shot. Despite the wave of violence, George Tita, a criminologist with the University of California, Irvine, said racially motivated gang killings are an exception. Latinos and blacks are far more likely to be murdered by one of their own. "You don't see these major black-brown wars, either within the context of gangs or outside the context of gangs," Tita said. Residents of Florence-Firestone are loath to discuss gangs, fearful they might end up as targets, but there are signs of change. Murders in the neighborhood dropped from 43 in 2005 to 19 in 2006, Baca said. For 2007, there were 19 murders as of December 24. Jose Garcia sees the difference. The security doors on the store where he works aren't covered with graffiti as often and he hasn't heard a gunshot in two months. "It used to be at least once or twice a week," he said.
Never said what happened was right.. What I said was an explanation of the outcome rather than a defense to it. It seemed as though some of you couldn't come to grasps why death was her fate. Understanding what happened and agreeing with it are two different things. To me its pretty simple what happened. I feel sorry for her, but she should have really known better.
Didn't she join the gang at a pretty young age? It isn't like we are talking about a grown woman here. So maybe she didn't know any better because of age/situation/etc.
I just watched the whole MS documentary.. so basically this gang is eventually going to spread everywhere Spanish is spoken. That's quite chilling.
It's not even about the "rules of the streets", but more about safety. I'm sure there are lots of people that could give information but they're are scared for their lives if they say anything to the police. They don't exactly protect their "informants" well. Its not like how it is in the movies, but its close. Most people don't "snitch" because they are scared.
If saying "I'm going to shoot the president" in a non-threatening manner is incriminating enough to get whisked away, what kinda context do you consider someone putting a tattoo on their damn FACE that represents a ruthless crime organization? Would you want your sister or mother going out with a someone mocking the thought of a presidential assassination, or an MS-13 guy?
I dont agree with krnxsnoopy's general tone of accepting reality at its harshest level with no hope of positive improvement. But I'd agree a bit with what he said about different societies I certainly don't accept the "rules of the street" as a given over rules for the greater good of society. But some people make a choice to join these societies where they generally know most the rules before becoming a member. Some rules, if they go against it they're putting their own life on the line, REGARDLESS of who it is. Only mom, dad, grandparents and siblings get granted a running start if they snitch. Doesn't mean have no sorrow or compassion, but for ages snitching is probably the "numero uno" thing to NOT do for a person ACTIVELY affiliated with these kinda groups. If the person isn't in a gang but wants to report a crime, that's a little different... If "some people" pertains to specific groups of bad people, understandable. Otherwise, that comment sounds a bit arrogant and almost dangerous. Being that "some people" could just be an individual's interpretation of what a threat is.
I don't understand. So... we have civil rights... and how is that unfortunate for some people? I don't understand your post, man. Please elaborate.
