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[Movie] Star Wars Episode VIII

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  1. sealclubber1016

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    I think the Laura Dern character was fine on her own. She should have taken the mantle as the stern b**ch authority figure in the rebellion (or whatever in the hell they are calling it)

    Only when they inexplicably decide to keep Leia alive (in the most preposterous way possible) does her character suddenly seem pointless. I enjoyed the movie overall, but Leia's painfully unnecessary Mary Poppins routine took the whole damn movie down a notch.
     
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    Obi-Wan at least gives an overview of the backstory to Luke in ANH. Plus, we get context about the state of the galaxy with the roundtable scene from ANH. It's all pretty clear in comparison to the sequel trilogy.
     
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    I don't see why Leia couldn't have played that role though. I think if anything, that probably would have been more impactful.
     
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  4. MadMax

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    First off..comparing this movie to ESB is a mistake. But getting that out of the way...we didn't care about those questions when we saw ESB. We didn't know there would be prequels, and their story didn't matter to that trilogy or our understanding of the story, generally. We never got background on Palpatine in the Original Trilogy, and we never cared...because that context was not important.

    They matter here, though. We know there was an empire that was defeated...we know that there is connection to the past that we at least thought was important after The Force Awakens. We have the context of all of this happening in the shadows of the rebellion against the Empire and "finding our place in all of this." It's the context of the entire new trilogy. This is the son of the Han Solo and Princess Leia..the grandson of Darth Vader..that's been seduced to the dark side. That's why unpacking that is important...and part of why I would have rather seen that angle than the fictional animal rights and class warfare message on the casino planet. Perhaps we'll get that unpacked in Episode IX, but I'm not holding out my hope of that.
     
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    Huh? Your post makes literally no sense, swing and huge miss on your part. I'm embarrassed for you. The Jedi weren't forgotten and gone in 1980, Star Wars was 1977, we already had the answers. We were given exposition. Those were Episodes 4, 5, 6, there was always the option to go back and explain things in 1-3. This is Episode 8 of 9, we're not getting an episode 6.5, you can't go back, like was an option in the original trilogy. . Your comparison is embarrassingly wrong.
     
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  6. wizkid83

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    There's 30 years of canon literature to fill in the gaps.....Or they could have just done it in a 3 min quick cut flashback
     
  7. ryan17wagner

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    I don't think so. Confidently great. 1-3 wasn't around in 1980. The purpose is not to be so impatient and it's not always important to know EVERYONE's backstory. Enjoy the movie and none on and wait for IX.
     
  8. JunkyardDwg

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    I gotta disagree with you there. I feel you can't say, well it doesn't matter in one instance but it does in the other.

    Let's look at each trilogy as an entity all it's own. In one you have an emperor that was barely mentioned in the first, was a hologram in one scene in the second, and finally showed up in the third. No backstory on his character or why he rose to power. Did we need that backstory? Would it have served the purpose of the overall plot? No and no. He was evil, he was powerful, he needed to be defeated. Good enough. You have an Empire that controls the galaxy that the Rebels are trying to overthrow. Do we know how the Empire rose to power, the histories of the Sith and Jedi. No and it doesn't matter to the main plot. We were thrust into this world in the middle of a revolution, from the perspective of young "freedom" fighters and that's fine.

    Now we have a new trilogy. Let's look at it separate. We have a tyrannical government faction trying to control the galaxy and we are brought into this story just as they are to make their defining move to obliterate the peaceful, but fragile, government that has reigned for several decades. Do we really need to know how this "empire" rose to power? Does it serve the purposes of the story to know where they come from, or it would be better to know where they are going? Again we are thrust into this story with the perspective of young rebellious fighters. Does Rey, in all her time being a nobody on a nowhere planet, know or care where the First Order came from? Probably not. Her moral compass says they should be defeated as she's trying to find her place in this story. We have a Supreme Leader, or "emperor," that is very powerful and evil. Yet we have no backstory on him and only got a hologram of him in the first film before seeing him in the flesh in the second, where he was promptly defeated. Do we need to know his backstory? Does it serve the main purpose of the story, a plot that centers around Kylo Ren and Rey? No. Because this isn't Snoke's story. He's a stepping stone for Kylo. His hubris left him vulnerable and blind to Kylo's surprise attack. And that's that. In fact, the interactions between Kylo and Luke and the backstory on that relationship were the more important I feel. Now for Snoke, could he come back in some way. Sure and it could make sense. But would audiences, outside die-hard Star Wars fans, care that Snoke may have been Darth Plagius? No. They wouldn't know who the hell that was!

    If anything, complain about the parallels. But I don't think you can claim in one situation it doesn't matter, but in another it does. Disney could just as easily make a whole new trilogy that sheds light on Snoke and the First Order's rise to power, just like....hey what they did with the Prequels. Let's look at the Prequels too. We enter into this story at the height of the Jedi's power, and we know that the Sith had been defeated some time ago. Do we need to know how that happened? Do we need to know how this might Republic was formed? No, not for the purposes of the Prequels' narrative.

    I can understand the frustration a bit. But ultimately I don't think it matters much. Some things are just better left unanswered. And since these issues don't push the main plot forward, I think they're pretty insignificant. Maybe Snoke less-so, since he was Kylo's master. But again, what happened between Kylo and Luki, uncle and nephew, is more important to his turn than whatever nudge Snoke gave him. But he may return yet, we'll see.
     
  9. peleincubus

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    If I had to bet real money. I do not think Snoke is dead.
     
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  10. ryan17wagner

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    Dead and gone.
     
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    I thought they threw all that out

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  12. Rocket River

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    It was a disjointed funky mess of a movie
    Casino was nothing more than Fin being a Magical Negro to inspire the next kid
    Poe basically is responsible for killing 90% of the Rebellion
    and
    NO ONE IN THE UNIVERSE CARES ABOUT THE REBELS . . . . except that kid
    Literally called out for help and no one answered .. . . no one cared

    Rocket River
     
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  13. wizkid83

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    Your right, everything except movie and TV series was non canon before 2014.

    Apparently, there are probably some bit of stuff published since.

    The following closes the gap. That said, I agreed it should be in the movie. Just like those that didn't watch Animatrix and play the matrix game were missing information between the first and second movie.

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bloodline_(novel)
     
  14. Jontro

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    damn, if only han knew the truth that luke chickened out and try to kill rylo ken... which is directly responsible for him turning to the dark side........

    chewie should have killed luke on that island. he was a force-less wuss.
     
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  15. MadMax

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    I enjoy stories where there aren't massive plot holes..or where the characters in that story aren't introduced and killed off with zero context...or where characters I've already been introduced to don't act completely out of the character I've been introduced to. Otherwise, it's just lazy ****ing writing.
     
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  16. MadMax

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    You lost me at new empire let's look at it separate. This is episode 7, 8 and 9..i've already seen 1-6. So you can't randomly pretend there's no context here. Stop it. That's lazy ass writing. That's all it is. You can't involve characters from 1-6 and then tell me to look at it separately when you keep calling their names and having new characters have random visions/flashbacks to the characters I was introduced to in 1-6. Stop. It's just lazy. Honestly...tell the ****ing story or stop making movies.
    And I say that as a guy who owns an interest in the Disney Vacation Club and grew up a huge Star Wars fan...who defended this movie on this very website before I even saw it. It sucked!!! It was awful storytelling.
     
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  17. ryan17wagner

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    No massive plot holes. People die in movies every week without knowing all their backgrounds. We'd be in movie theaters for days if you wanted that. Act out of character? It's been 30+ years in the SW universe. Go find someone in real life you haven't seen or talk to in 30 years and see if they're "still in character" for you. People change. It's part of life. And it's fantastic writing. Don't watch star was anymore since your feelings are hurt.
     
  18. TMAC3

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    wut? So they build up Snoke as a sith who built the first order from the ashes of the Empire, took over the galaxy, recruited Kylo Ren and then they kill him and didn't explain how he did any of that? How is that ok? lol

    who is the first order? where did they come from? what's even their goal?

    we got all those questions answered about Palpatine and the empire. Won't here. #stupid
     
  19. ryan17wagner

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    Who built them up? You did. Cause you expected the same story retold. Disney didn't build him up.

    Who's the first order? Have you ever watched a Star Wars movie? What's their goal? You're kidding right. You realize how long it took to get those answers about the empire and palpatine, correct?

    Read all the books and you'll get all your answers. You have Bloodline, Aftermath and Aftermath: Empire's End.
     
  20. heypartner

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    I keep reading this. Why do ppl say this? Poe isn't responsible for the tracking device that allowed the bad guys to follow the rebels through hyperspace. Without that, they escape just fine after the bombing run, which was arguably a military win. right? What does Poe do after they fail to escape due to the tracking device, other than argue with the Blue Hair.

    i guess i forgot something? weak movies have a tendency to require multiple viewings to settle into my memory. ;)
     

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