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[Movie] Christopher Nolan's Inception

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  1. Nero

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    Yes I know that's what they said, but it doesn't seem to be supported by the 'rules' the movie established. If they were all inside Fischer's dream, then when Mal 'killed' him, it seems they would have all kicked back up a level, or all dropped down into limbo. The fact that Fischer was the only one affected would seem to indicate that he was not the actual dreamer at that point. Plus, Ariadne mentioned that Eames had modified that level by adding the air duct passageway.

    This all leads me to believe that Fischer was only *populating* that level with his projections and, ultimately, his meeting with his dying father, as well as the final safe. But at that moment when Fischer opened the safe, Eames modified the level again by placing the pinwheel inside it.

    Obviously this is all speculation on my part, but it makes more sense to me than if they all actually did enter Fischer's subconscious, as they would not do that while on a heist, as they would no longer be in control of the world and its design.

    I could be totally wrong of course, and the movie will bear many repeated viewings on Blu-Ray (man, when is it coming out?? When? When??), but it's the only way it makes any sense to me at this point.

    But I'm sure this opinion will change many times. It will take more study to reconcile the conversation as they all prepared to 'jack in' in the hotel room with the Browning projection.
     
  2. macalu

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    you are correct. the snow fort was Eame's dream, not Fischer's. Each dream level is dreamt by a different member of Cobb's team, they just bring in Fisher's subconscous.
     
  3. Yonkers

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    Remember you only kick up when you died at the higher level. When you die in those lower levels, it takes you down a level until you hit limbo.
     
  4. macalu

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    Maybe i'm misremembering. Browning is being forged by Eame, they can't both be in the same room. Fisher has never even seen Eame's face.

    They may have said they were going into Fischer's dream, but it was ruse. The fort is Ariadne's creation that she taught to Eame.
     
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    don't feel like going to a theater to watch this. anyone know where I can dl a boot leg of the movie so I can watch it on my laptop? :cool:
     
  6. Miguel

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    I'm generally indifferent towards piracy... but GO WATCH THIS MOVIE IN THEATRES. Mostly because I want WB to see that this kind of non-sequel/non-book/non-comic/non-reboot/non-remake type movie CAN make a few bucks, but also because it's an amazing movie and the visuals need to be seen in a theatre at least once.
     
  7. Yonkers

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    You did remember wrong. One scene in the hotel Saito is walking and sees Browning and says 'Hi'. Right behind him is Eames and Saito realizes it and says, 'Sorry, I thought you were a friend of mine' to which Browning replies 'He must be a good looking fellow'.
    Later after Cobb convinces Fischer that it is Browning that is double-crossing him, Browning is brought to the room and confesses. Then Saito and Eames enters the room. They then convince Fischer that they need to enter Browning's dreams to find out what he knows. Cobb turns to Ariadne and says that they are really entering Fischer's dream since Browning is actually Fischer's own subconscious.
     
  8. macalu

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    you're right about the Saito, Eames, and Browning interaction. damnit, i blame it on that stupid baby. :p
    however, it was still Eame's dream they were in.
     
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    My only question is this: Unless Cobb was dreaming throughout the entire movie, how in hell did Mal get projected at each level of the inception? Those weren't Cobb's dreams after all...
     
  10. GRENDEL

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    Her and his children are parts of his subconscience that he was losing control of hence they were popping up more and more often. He didn't have to be dreamer to have them pop up.
     
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    Yeah, like Grendal said you don't have to be the dreamer to affect the world. Remember when Cobb was taking Ariadne around his own dream at the beginning? She was making the city fold in on itself, etc.
    With that said, I don't know why they couldn't just make the buildings collapse down on the bad guys, etc.
     
  12. Eric Riley

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    I watched the movie a second time and paid attention as they first entered the snow world dream. Cobb looks at Eames and says, "Eames, this is your dream..." (and says something after). But I'm 100% sure that's what I heard.
     
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    From Interview with Dileep Rap, the chemist in the movie

    http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/07/inceptions_dileep_rao_answers.html

    But that made me think the third level, the snow fort, was Eames's (Tom Hardy's) dream.

    Except in the hotel room, Ellen Page asks whose subconscious we're going into, and Cobb answers, "Fischer's."
     
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    something else that i wished they used more was Ariadne's totem. they didn't elaborate on how it was going to be used nor did it even come into play at all. i thought that was an oversight by Nolan.
     
  16. GRENDEL

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    I see where you are coming from but I think Nolan seemed happy to use her totem as a way to just explain the concept in general, part of establishing the rules, plus with everything else going on it might have felt superfluous
     
  17. Yonkers

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    I think they included those scenes only to impress upon you that the totem has to be personal and you can't allow others to handle it. And impress how important it is that something like that is needed because it is easy to lose track of what is real and what is a dream.
     
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    The film opened with $60.4 million, making it the strongest opening weekend in Leonardo DiCaprio's career so far.
     
  19. OldManBernie

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    He didn't really have a definitive answer in that quote.

    I still think it's Eame's dream because when Cobb asked Ariadne how to quickly enter the compound as they were running out of time, she said that Eames created the airduct as a shortcut. It certainly sounds like he was the dreamer.
     

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