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MoveOn.Org Doesn't Know What A US Soldier Looks Like?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Svpernaut, Nov 30, 2005.

  1. Svpernaut

    Svpernaut Member

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    Dude, they screwed up... it is funny, that is all. I said in the first post it was good for a laugh, this add doesn't change my opinion about MoveOn.org one way or the other and I'm sure everyone else who saw it feels the same way regardless of their stance. But saying that it isn't a big deal that they tried to say 150,000 American troops are away from home and they show British troops instead is just insane. Are you going to tell me that there aren't some troops out there who got wind of this and didn't say to themselves "ugh, they don't even know what we look like and we are fighting for them?"
     
  2. serious black

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    Sure It's funny.
    But I would think that if any troops saw this ad, they would be thinking about how much they wish they were home with their families rather than the type of uniforms the people in the picture are wearing.

    Would it be the same if they happended to show Americans (dressed like Americans) who happened to have already gone home?
    Ugh that's Joey in that picture! He went home three weeks ago. They don't even know which of us are still here fighting for them! Or what about if there was an article about how the mother pictured in the ad is not a mother at all, but an actress pretending to be a mother?

    Yes it was a screw up. Yes, I suppose that is funny. But the subject matter of the ad is not funny at all. And the tone of the article you posted was not funny at all. It is offensive to me as someone who supports the troops and wants them to come home and spend time with their families.
    The picture was symbolic of American troops. Yes, it would have been better if they had used real American troops in the ad, but I don't think it takes away from the ad or it's message at all.
    Sorry. I'm a bit sensitive about people who supported the troops being sent there making fun of someone who cares enough about them to buy advertisments to get them home.
     
  3. DonnyMost

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    Like seriously, how could Moveon mess up so bad? It's pretty obvious they're eating fish n' chips and shepherds pie in that pic.
     
  4. Svpernaut

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    150,000 American Men & Women Are Stuck In Iraq This Holiday Season
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  5. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Atomic Playboy
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    Some folks won't be home this holiday season

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    [MoveOn.org] Members of the US 153rd battalion prepare to begin their daily patrol through the heart of Baghdad.
     
  6. halfbreed

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    Wow...keep working hard and maybe one day you'll graduate to High School!
     
  7. Svpernaut

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    lol! That is classic.
     
  8. mc mark

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    Yep!

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  9. basso

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    just curious mark, but is there any story about the war, other than the body count, that you'd find worth reporting? i had the displeasure of listening to "all things (detrimental to bush) considered" at length yesterday, and they are absolutely obsessed with stories of GIs getting killed. nothing about what they might have been doing when they died, no mention of recent combat operations in the west and what they've accomplished- nothing, except, "4 Americans were killed today, bringing the total to..." oh, and an, unintentionally, hilarious interview w/ Murtha.
     
  10. mc mark

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    Basso I know it’s hard for people like you to accept the reality that our best and bravest are dying because of a lie. And I know that you would rather focus your attention on anything but this aspect of the war. I know it’s the only way for people like you to look at yourself in the mirror every day and justify your faith in a president that lied to your face. Because if you can find something, anything to focus your attention away from the deaths then it makes it easier for you. It’s hard I know, but eventually (as with many people like you who believed in the war) you will come to realize that the death of these great Americans is the most important aspect of this war. Not WMDs, not democracy, not Saddam, not oil, not national interests but our wonderful kids dying for one man’s hubris.

    BTW 10 more brave marines were killed today.
     
  11. HayesStreet

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    Uh, oh. A Dallas fan in sheep's clothing.
     
  12. basso

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    you know mark, that may be the longest piece of original posting i've ever seen from you. well, not exactly original, since the sentiment seems lifted directly from the comments section at kos, but certainly heartfelt. Bravo!

    oh, and did i mention i was driving by arlington when the murtha interview came on? all those headstones put me in mind of Ives' setting of flanders field. pay particular attention to the final stanza while you support the troops:

    http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/flanders.htm

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    IN FLANDERS FIELDS the poppies blow
    Between the crosses row on row,
    That mark our place; and in the sky
    The larks, still bravely singing, fly
    Scarce heard amid the guns below.

    We are the Dead. Short days ago
    We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
    Loved and were loved, and now we lie
    In Flanders fields.

    Take up our quarrel with the foe:
    To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high.
    If ye break faith with us who die
    We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
    In Flanders fields.
     
  13. mc mark

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    nice...

    I'll see your McCrae and raise you a Tennyson


    'Forward the Light Brigade!
    Was there a man dismay'd?
    Not tho' the Soldier knew
    Some one had BLUNDER'D!
    Their's not to make reply,
    Their's not to reason why,
    Their's but to do and die.
    Into the valley of Death
    Rode the Six Hundred.
     
  14. pgabriel

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    So are there not 150k soilders in Iraq over the holidays.

    its a dumb mistake, this doesn't even belong in this forum imo.
     
  15. Svpernaut

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    Do you know there were nearly 2400 murders in California this year alone... and that place isn't even a war zone? A little over 2000 deaths in a war that has been going on for nearly 3 years is far from a horrible number. Where there is war, there will be death... sad, but true. Our soldiers over there are fighting and dying for a good and just cause, if you can't see that then I pity you I really do.

    American War Deaths

    Revolutionary War - 25,324
    War of 1912 - 2,260
    Mexican War - 13,283
    Cival War - 498,332 Union 364,821 Confederacy
    World War I - 116,516
    World War II - 405,399
    Korean War - 54,246
    Vietnam War - 56,244
    Gulf War aka the two week war - 148 (mainly air battle, most deaths were friendly fire)

    2300 deaths is sad, but militaraly speaking this war easily has the lowest casualty ratio.
     
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    Tennyson is my favorite of all times.
     
  17. mc mark

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    so basso? Would you consider posts like this supporting the troops?
     
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    I love this idiotic statement. 33 Million Californians with 2400 deaths is about 1 in 13,750. 150,000 us troops with 2300 deaths is 1 in 65. So you think these two figures are comparable?
     
  19. Svpernaut

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    No, but I find it laughable that people find 2300 deaths over 3 years in a war is a high number... it is higher then we ALL would like it, but in war terms it is very, very low... especially considering we have thousands and thousands of murders a year stateside. You have to remember I was also comparing a war zone with a supposive civilized society... I don't see liberals fighting and mentioning the murder rate on a daily basis all I see them is trying to save convicted murderers from the death penalty.
     
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    You'll also see liberals fighting for much tighter handgun control. Almost 80% of those California murders are by handguns. It seems fairly easy to conclude that the US murder rate is astronomically higher than that in most other western countries because of their ability to curtail the availablilty of handguns to the general population.

    I personally don't have a problem with the death penalty, but it seems ironic that the conservative point of view professes such high regard for human life in their pro-life stance, and then can turn that regard around in the case of death penalty prisoners.
     

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