Eh, I think Quin has actually been OK. Not good by any stretch, but average and not routinely burned. Everyone else, well...
I don't think the team as a whole would be better paying $10MM for "very average", as it would assuredly limit their spending in other areas. "talent" wise, he may make the DB corps better, but I'm not sure it helps the "big picture".
i'd agree with you if they went and spent the money somewhere else to get better...but they didn't. right now, i'd like to have dunta on this team. if this is the make or break year for the kubiak era...then i think we're better with him than without him. that doesn't mean i think he's first team, All Pro.
If the Falcons offered him back today for a 6th rd pick, I'd probably say no. He hasn't exactly taken them out of the bottom third of the league in passig defense, and that contract is ridiculous. No way would I want to be on the hook for that for years, especially once the new CBA kicks in. I agree with the saving the money and stashing it into the pocket though. Not signing Schobel this week is fairly understandable if he's let himself go but not being realistic about his role. However, that doesn't excuse the team for not taking a crack at him in the preseason when he was let go and expressed interest. It doesn't excuse them for not bringing him in the minute Barwin was carted off. It doesn't give them a pass when they thought this secondary was NFL caliber coming into the season. It doesn't give them a pass for ignoring alarming issues at the free safety position for 4+ years in a row. Pollard certainly helps at strong safety, but his job is to come forward and crush runners. We've been just about worst in the league at the deep safety spot since the Iraq war happened.
that's the thing...don't want to sign dunta?? great. just come with a reasonable replacement. they didn't.
You sure? His numbers are very similar to Jackson's. Jackson: 11 tackles 3 pass defenses 0 INTs Robinson: 12 tackles 3 pass defenses 0 INTs I think Texan fans (myself included) have overrated Robinson for YEARS. Yes, he can tackle, but that's not really what a CB is supposed to do. The more tackles you get, the more passes your man has caught. He had ZERO interceptions in 16 starts last year. That's the same amount Jackson had last year and he wasn't even in the NFL yet... I know Jackson has been horrible this year, but he's exactly 3 games into his NFL career.
i have a difficult time believing that Robinson wouldn't be doing a better job than Jackson right now. That may change someday. But right now, I have a difficult time believing we wouldn't be better served with Robinson playing this week against the Raiders. i'm not concerned with interceptions and tackle stats so much...i'm much more concerned with jackson getting repeatedly torched.
Anybody know when Glover Quin really started making his mark as a rookie last year? Maybe that should be a loose benchmark when judging Jackson's progress.
I don't think #s of tackles, etc are really that relevant. A CB doesn't get a tackle if they are so good that they don't throw at him or if they are so bad that the wide receiver gets open and scores a touchdown. Without having seen Atlanta, it's hard to say how Dunta is doing. For anyone who's seen them play, do opposing QBs pick on him like they do Kareem Jackson? All I can say is that the Texans were above average in QB-rating-against last year and fairly average in total passing yards allowed. This year, they are historically bad in both cases - but it's early, and they are also missing Cushing.
I think you may have forgotten some of Robinson's games last year. Chad Johnson joked him embarrassingly in our game in Ohio. He was burnt like toast all over the opening Jets game. Dunta struggled badly in coverage last year, he could not handle any legit #1 receivers. I was ASTONISHED when Atlanta offered the money they did after joking every week about how he lost another $1M off this new contract. It's sad, but Kareem Jackson has so far done an okay impression of 2008 and 2009 Dunta Robinson. Team hasn't tried to bring in a ballhawk since the expansion draft. Literally. I don't get it.
I can't argue with that. I still think Robinson hasn't been the same since the injury. And I don't deny that he went from my favorite Texan to my least favorite Texan in the span of just 1 offseason. Signing him for what he was asking would have been INSANE. One thing to keep in mind is that so far the Texans have faced 1 Pro Bowl and 2 Hall of Fame QBs. That's not going to be the case every single week. On the other hand, the Falcons have faced Drew Brees, Derek Anderson and Dennis Dixon?....
honestly, i do not recall dunta ever looking as bad over the course of an entire game as jackson has in every game so far. i know he's a rookie...but that only underscores the point. if this is really a serious make or break year, they should have explored some other options with the money they didn't give to dunta.
Man, after listening to John and Lance this morning I'm even more upset with the Texans in this deal. Apparently he was under the impression a deal was done when he went in for the workout and then the Texans asked him to take less than they'd already agreed to. John and Lance both said that the Schobel family is furious with the Texans and that they will have nothing to do with the team going forward. It's just ridiculous to me. It's an uncapped year. The guy can help. Maybe he needs two weeks to get ready, so what? All the games matter. Refusing to sign him because you are trying to hold the purse tight is silly. I'll also agree with Max on Dunta. I didn't want him back, but I wanted the team to go out and spend that money to improve, and I don't want to hear the company line of "We used that money to keep Andre and Demeco!" Even if there was a cap this year, they'd still be under it I believe. (I think I heard that before the season started)
I would have just franchised him again. Kareem Jackson is getting burned by Joey Galloway and Roy Williams. Both are veterans, but neither is anything to write home about. Roy Williams doesn't beat anybody anymore, except Kareem Jackson. Joey Galloway is a one trick pony, speed. It doesn't seem like Jackson has a particular weakness, it seems he doesn't have a particular strength. Roy Williams shakes him, Galloway blows by him, he gets out muscled... Edit: The most annoying thing about Kareem is that the only defense anyone ever offers for him is that he played for Nick Saban in the SEC. LOL
And yet, teams weren't throwing for 400 yards a game against the Texans last year. And opposing QBs had an average 83 rating instead of 116. Again, not all on one player, but it's the biggest change and whoever Jackson is covering is routinely being targeted.
Exactly. Dunta wasn't great, heck, he wasn't necessarily good. But when it was he and Jacques Reeves out there they weren't THIS bad. Kareem Jackson got lit up by Roy Williams. Think about that for a minute. Cowboys fans and analysts were arguing that the only reason he wasn't cut was because Jerry didn't want to make the trade look any worse. (LOL Jerry) This is a guy that nobody outside of the Dallas organization thinks should have been on the team, let alone starting. That's the guy that just burnt up our first round draft pick that replaced Dunta. Hopefully it's just a "first few games of the season" kind of thing, because if he keeps up this pace you have to take him out of the starting lineup. He gets bumped bad at the line, burnt deep, he slips all over the field leaving guys wide open, misses assignments which exposes our safety play...
I can't agree with you more I still had small hopes the team would let him workout on his own and comeback in a couple of weeks, but after reading your post I know it is not going to happen. I am still furious about this organization being too cheap. It does come down to money, if after a few weeks Schobel has not shown any improvement cut him. Out of shape/in shape he can't not possibly be that much worse than Cody and Okoye. This guy had 10 sacks last season more than Mario had last year and more than Cody and Okoye have had combined in their careers. Hell Cody has not recorded 1 sack since 2005! Okoye has had 2.5 sacks his last 2 years combined not including this year where he has 0. Antonio Smith can slide over to what he has played in his career at left defensive tackles. The Texans could have give him 2 weeks to get in shape, where he could get his feet wet vs KC. The next week would be a Texans bye, and he would be ready all out go when we play the Colts. The Texans would still have him for 9-10 weeks! If he wants to get paid starter so be it, he would be our starting defensive end, he would get at least 4-5 less paychecks. But the Texans organization screwed this thing up.
But look at the 3 QBs we've faced so far this season. 2 Hall of Famers and a Pro Bowler. Not exactly scrubs. I'm not denying that we have a MAJOR problem in the secondary, I'm just saying that I don't think we're going to be giving up 400 passing ypg all season long.
I agree with you that we should have definately brought in another corner other than Kareem Jackson that could start immediately. I have been telling anyone that would listen that going into this season our secondary would be the most worrisome aspect of this team and that has proven to be true. With that being said, it's still not that easy to say the Texans should have gone out and spent all that money they saved by not signing Dunta because alot of that money is already "spoken for". We just gave Andre a fat new contract, that ate up some cash, Owen Daniels is probably next in line for a fat new contract, that will eat up some more money, and after him you got guys like Pollard that need to be paid. Yea its an uncapped year, but if there is to be a season after this one there has to be a new CBA and with that a salary cap will be in place so the Texans still have to manage their money. I'm still in 100% agreeance we needed to bring in another corner, but maybe nothing fit right...guys were asking for too much that weren't worth it or guys could have been signed but would have just provided another body (aka the new guy)
