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Move Ensberg DOWN

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Brando2101, Jul 5, 2006.

  1. gwayneco

    gwayneco Contributing Member

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    Morgan is third in the NL in OPS-PrOPS.
    http://hardballtimes.com/thtstats/m...&orderBy=ops_minus_props&direction=ASC&page=1

    http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/statpages/glossary/
    PrOPS stands for "Predicted OPS." It was developed by J.C. Bradbury and introduced in this article. PrOPS isn't really a new stat; it's a formula for predicting what a player's OPS is likely to be in the future based on his batted balls, strikeouts, home runs and walks.

    Currently Ensberg is underperforming his predicted OPS by about .100. His actual OPS is .890 while his PrOPS is .991. Perhaps there is hope for his second half.
     
  2. Hey Now!

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    reread thru my posts - bring up scott or pence.

    then he needs to be on the DL, not in the line-up. but injury always seems to be at the root of his struggles; hurt all of '04; hurt last fall; hurt again this year... whenever it goes bad, he's hurt. that's the excuse. if true, then the dude's hurt too much for my tastes.
     
  3. Buck Turgidson

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    The Stros have said (repeatedly) that Pence is not ready. Working on his pitch selection & the fact that he no hit curveball good. He will not be brought up this year, no ifs, ands or buts. Let it go.
     
  4. Buck Turgidson

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    It is very troublesome.
     
  5. Hey Now!

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    ensberg, right now, is no hitting curveball, fastball...

    pence is what? 23? 24? and he's in double A? he needs to get on a faster course. same with anderson, who's 24 or 25 and tearing up double-A. but fine, whatever - how about luke scott?
     
  6. SamCassell

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    Luke Scott is a AAAA hitter who can't handle major league pitching.
     
  7. Burzmali

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    You're saying two very different things.

    1) He's not doing what we expect out of him lately, in terms of power and driving in runs.

    2) He's hurting the team.

    I sort of agree with point one, but the fact is that he sustained an injury, and he is a good hitter so I'm willing to let him hit through this.

    Point two is flat out wrong. He fails to make an out more than 40% of the time he comes up to bat. Simply, he isn't hurting the team. Get over it.
     
  8. Hey Now!

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    i woulnd't say two good years mixed with a bad one would make calling hi ma good hitter a fact.

    if he's hurt, then he needs to go on the DL and get healthy.

    he's hitting .240 with runners on; .230 with RISP. i fail to understand how a run producer putting up those putrid numbers isn't hurting the team.
     
  9. Hakeem's Dream

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    He's slowly getting better. I don't think he's still injured enough to be benched but he'e got to work in order to get better.
     
  10. Hakeem's Dream

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    I don't think it's anything like that. Gaetti has some HR history of his own so he should know what he's doing. I was wanting him gone until I read up on him.
     
  11. Hakeem's Dream

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    Okay, I used DL as a short way of saying he sat out some games. I don't think it's coincidence, no. It's not even related. Before he was injured he was fine. As of June 10, he was hitting .256 with a .562 SLG. Now he's hitting .236 & .498 SLG. What's the problem? His career BA is .273 and his career SLG is .494. So he's not the Mo so 2003, who here is the same since 2003.
     
  12. Hakeem's Dream

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    That's your opinion, I've got mine.
     
  13. Hakeem's Dream

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    Amen.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    How can you say that after such a short time in the bigs? Most players struggle in their first time up and go up and down a bit before they find their niche.

    Scott is a big league hitter, bank on it.

    DD
     
  15. Burzmali

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    Because he's doing a good job of not making outs.
     
  16. SamCassell

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    I hope your predictions about the future prospects of MLB players are better than those about NBA players.

    Signed,
    Dan Langhi
    Boki Nachbar

    :p
     
  17. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Of course it's not related. That's why I put in the :) . But you ask what the problem is and to seemingly prove your point you mention he is a career .273 hitter who is hitting .236. THAT'S the problem. You mention as of June 10th he was hitting .256. As of June 1 he was hitting .266. As of May 22 he was at .278. As of May 5th he was at .288. Notice the progression?

    Since April 18th he is 42-218 (or similar) for a hefty .192 average. THAT'S the problem.

    No one on this current team has had such a dramatic drop in average between their career and this year as Ensberg has.

    I have always been a big Ensberg supporter, but there is something drastically wrong with his hitting since mid-April.
     
  18. Hakeem's Dream

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    What do you think it is? Oh yeah, I just was showing how his stats now aren't too far from his career stats and I just think that you shouldn't expect that much more from him except to work his shoulder out. It may not be seriously injured but it is tender enough to need some care when he has the much needed movement he get by playing. I just don't see that anyone on that team or staff looks poorly on Mo right now.
     
  19. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    But his average IS far below his career average. If he is injured, and needs movement to help heal, he can do that without playing. IF his shoulder needs fixing, it should not be to the detriment of the team. Generally Ensberg is a better defenisve third baseman than Lamb, but when he is hurt, Lamb is his equal.
     
  20. Hakeem's Dream

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    Okay, point taken. I still have full faith in Mo and I hope he plays for us for a long time.
     

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