(Mostly retired) men vs. women in soccer

AroundTheWorld · Dec 4, 2023

dumbartonbass said: ↑

This is an opportunity to discuss bias. The fact check I posted didn't seem to have an editorial bent; it was stating what the context around this event, that I personally had never heard of, was. The tweet you shared lacked any of the relevant context.

I do not know the tweeter you originally shared - I had to delete my Twitter and Threads accounts because I didn't like how my brain was processing information after being on them too much and wanted to regain the ability to focus - but I argue the tweet and video exhibit strong biases:

The tweet describes the men as "retired" when this is a half-truth. Some of them were, some weren't.

The tweet says "Guess what happened." Within the broader context of the mens vs. women's sports debate, the USWNT's political reputation, the ongoing debate of transgender athletes, etc. I can infer that the OP is being smug when, obviously, the women lost.

The video adds "retired" under the Wrexham AFC badge. This leads a viewer to think all of the team was retired and demonstrates bias by wanting to make you think the team was nominally less fit than the women.

The video uses the USWNT crest. This was not the USWNT (their jerseys had something entire different on them), so why present them as such? Because the creator's bias wants people who exist in an online stew to see that logo and say "Hurr durr I knew those women couldn't win anything!" due to their pre-existing beliefs about the team.

The video does not add "retired" next to the USWNT logo because the creator is biased and wants a casual viewer to glance at it and think that might actually be the full-strength national team.

The video does not mention the different rules that this exhibition was played under. Why is that biased? Because a smaller field, 7x7 squad, and no offsides rules would obviously create more scoring chances. Without that context, a casual viewer might believe that this was a full 11x11 game with all of the usual mechanics in place. Yes, the women could've scored, too and made the stat line less embarrassing; but, presenting this as a good-faith, 90-minute 12-0 loss is deliberately deceitful.

As I mentioned before, I largely agree with you when it comes to transgender participation in competitive sports. But, I don't think that sharing content that is purposefully wrong like this helps your argument. Consuming it also does yourself a disservice. Do I want to be allied with someone who would go out of their way to purposefully misrepresent their point? Probably not.

How can a fact check be accused of bias when the thing it's checking is biased? If an arbiter corrects somebody saying that the earth is flat, why is the former deserving of being called "biased" when they're simply correct an inaccuracy? It's Orwellian.
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That's a lot of analysis for what was really just a funny tweet lol.

HTM · Dec 4, 2023

dumbartonbass said: ↑

Ok, so doing 30 seconds of research shows me:

This wasn't the US Women's National Team (never mind that the video in the tweet uses the USWNT crest to try and make you think it's them while labeling the Wrexham crest with "(Retired)")

The women's team was also a mix of active and retired players

This was a 7x7 game, not 11x11.

"The US team was actually made up of former players, while the Wrexham team comprised of a mix of former and still-active players."

"It featured smaller-than-usual pitches, 20-minute halves, and alternative rules such as no throw-ins, no offside restrictions, and seven players to a side."

I agree that a full-strength men's team would likely beat a full-strength women's team. But using this old, deliberately disingenuous tweet as "evidence" makes you seem really gullible and undermines your point.
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A full-strengths mens team wouldn't just beat a womans team, they would demolish them.

It's widely known an FC Dallas U-15 Academy boys teams beat the full USWNT badly.

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/ne...-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/

mtbrays · Dec 4, 2023

HTM said: ↑

A full-strengths mens team wouldn't just beat a womans team, they would demolish them.

It's widely known an FC Dallas U-15 Academy boys teams beat the full USWNT badly.

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/ne...-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/
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I've repeatedly stated that I don't disagree with that.

mtbrays · Dec 4, 2023

AroundTheWorld said: ↑

That's a lot of analysis for what was really just a funny tweet lol.
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I forgot this was a forum, not Twitter.

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