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Most Sure Fire Prospect NOT Cade, Mobley, Green or Suggs?

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  1. ChillyPete32

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    Sure fire, best "player", and best "prospect" are all different things.

    As for who should be the next guy, or maybe even considered somewhere inside the list above, I'd say Barnes. His potential is off the charts. The shooting is a massive question mark, though.
     
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    If barnes puts in the work and learns to shoot that kid is going to be special. The kid is like ben simmons with a pair of balls on the court. He has good court vision, is 6'9 and guards every position. He is a game changer on the defensive end. If he can learn to shoot ball consistently the guy is going to be amazing.
     
  3. ApacheWarrior

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    Yes, Kuminga is definitely one of my top prospects In this draft.

    I had Suggs 3rd and Kuminga 4th but I would flip flop them:

    1) Cade 2) Green 3) Kuminga 4) Suggs 5) DaVion Mitchell
    6) Keon Johnson 7) Jalen Johnson 8) E Mobley 9) Scottie Barnes
     
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  5. D-rock

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    Would also add Kai Jones to that list.
     
  6. D-rock

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    LOL

    We really are on opposite sides on this draft.

    I have it like this:

    1) Cade/Mobley
    2) Green
    3) Suggs/Barnes
    4) Kuminga/Jalen Johnson
    5) Kai Jones
    6) Moody/Davion Mitchell
    7) Keon Johnson/Bouknight
    8) Wagner
     
  7. ApacheWarrior

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    When I started paying attention to the mocks in April
    I was high on Moses Moody (mocks had him around 6th
    going to the Rockets back then)

    Scottie Barnes was going around 10

    DaVion Mitchell was around 11 back then......since tournament has moved
    up in my book. Is a slighter lesser Suggs imo. Give and take here and there.

    I mentioned a lot of Kispert (often seen as going around 12)

    Bassey was around 14th (in most mocks)

    and was high on Wagner (near 17th)
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    since then..........as the more I watched and studied the players:

    Moses Moody....dropped him further down as most mocks have as well.

    Scottie Barnes has moved up in mocks; I moved him up as well
    because guys like Moody dropped....not because he looks better.

    Kispert has since dropped. Stock improved with each tournament
    game until Gonzaga lost to Baylor. They made him looked slow.
    But he was the same player when they were winning. Same good
    shooter with a quick release that has a high BB I.Q. and is very
    active that can slash and cut. Still near 12 in my book.

    I still have Wagner near 15th.....no way do I have him passing
    Kispert. I noticed the Wagner shot was terrible and sure enough
    teams in the conference tournament and NCAA tournament
    found out that shot from chest is a terrible release point.
    He is going to have trouble getting that shot off at the pro
    level. He will get open looks but needs helps from teammates
    to draw away the attention on him.

    Bassey has dropped in many mocks as people have diminished
    the value of big men and his injury in his 2nd season. Dropping to
    end of first round to early second round. For Tilmans cheap sake
    hopefully the Rockets can move into the early 2nd round and find
    Bassey there......but I wouldn't be surprised if Bassey went around 18th.
    Bassey is the true unicorn in this draft. A big man that is not too
    big and not too thin that can shoot 3"s at 30% with more than 2 attempts
    per game that is excellent at rim protection and rebounding.

    Luka Garza is the only thing near Bassey but weighs around 265 pounds
    and is poor on defense. I would take a chance on Luka Garza in the middle
    of the second round or deal with Detroit for their pick #42 to get Garza.

    If "Slow Mo" Kyle Anderson can play in this league then Luka Garza who is
    quicker can play in the NBA. Just needs work on technique.

    Unlike Evan Mobley who had Eaddy, Isaiah Mobley, and White as good help
    to draw away the offensive attention from Evan Mobley, Bassey had no one
    and drew double and triple coverage. Bassey was the leading scorer at
    18 points a game (rounded up) while the next closest scorer was 14 points
    per game Hollingsworth. And Hollingsworth only got that much because
    Bassey was drawing all the attention.

    And yes Western Kentucky is a small school but they played Memphis,
    Alabama, West Virginia, Houston, Rice, Louisville.

    So as far as weighing players for help they had:
    Suggs: had Kispert, Timme, Joel Ayayi
    Kispert: Suggs, Timme, Ayayi
    D Mitchell: Jared Butler, Mark Vital
    Evan Mobley: Isaiah Mobley, Eaddy, Isaiah White

    Bassey: Hollingsworth

    If you flip flop rosters and put Bassey with White, Eaddy. Isaiah Mobley
    Bassey scores 24 points per game and increase FG%, 3P%, rebs, dunks,
    3PA's (more open shots as more players drawing away attention).

    I'm not sure Evan Mobley does much as a Hilltopper.
    Maybe 12 points a game. Meh. His brother would not be there to take
    the tough assignments. Would Evan be considered such a great defender?
    Bassey would be going around #18 if he had played at USC.

    Rockets can supply Bassey much of what he needs to succeed in the NBA.
    Silas system with help from Wall, Eric Gordon, Porter Jr, Tate,
    KM Jr, C Wood, (Jalen Green?)......as they draw attention and Bassey goes
    from number one option (at WKentucky) to flying under the radar 6th option
    with Rockets.
     
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    You may be the only guy in entire world who views Bassey as a Unicorn.

    Not to mention you believe Bassey is just better than Mobley.

    Anti-Mobley narrative is ridiculous.

    At least you're not comparing Mobley to Thabeet and Zhou Qi.

    I guess that is something.
     
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  9. ApacheWarrior

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    Mocks is Feb (not April)....March madness in March
     
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    Evan Mobley: Garuba, Kai Jones, Trey Murphy, Thor, Greg Brown....all unicorns.

    You know the Unicorn moniker fits one in a million types.....not readily
    available not hard to find players.

    Find me the equal to Bassey in this draft? Height, weight, rebs, blocks, 3P%, 3PA's,
    FT%, pts.

    I'm telling you, Gafford of the Wiz with a 3P shot is very valuable right now(Bassey).
     
  11. D-rock

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    Agree they are very talented big men, but all unicorns?!?

    Your definition of Unicorn differs from the vast majority of NBA professionals.

    I'm worried for you now buddy.
     
  12. ApacheWarrior

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    Do your research brother man.
    Mobley vs Bassey

    Better:
    Blocks: Bassey
    Rebs: Bassey
    FT%: Bassey
    3P%: Bassey
    3PA: Bassey
    Points per game: Bassey
    Dunks: Bassey (more)

    If Mobley is the unicorn then Bassey is the "Unicorn Killer"
     
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  13. H.D.

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    Boutknight made himself some money- video up from his Pro Day of him hitting 14 corner 3's in a row.
     
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    Stats vs. Advanced Stats, guard skills, intangibles

    Mobley better in ORTG, BPM
    Mobley is the better post passer
    Mobley is the better shot creator
    Mobley can grab and go
    Mobley can show and go
    Mobley better short roll passer
    Mobley better post player
    Mobley can score from all 3 levels
    Mobley can defends best without fouling
    Mobley better in defensive rotations
    Mobley better perimeter & iso defender
    Mobley has the higher BB IQ

    As you can see, Sengun is highest scorer, steals & assists, Queta most blocks, Sharpe is best rebounder.

    Yet none of them, Bassey included, are considered a Unicorn.

    http://www.tankathon.com/players/co...neemias-queta--day-ron-sharpe--alperen-sengun

     
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  15. ApacheWarrior

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    Again Bassey was number 1 option double and triple team'd

    You are cherry picking stats....give me total package. Queta is 0% from 3
    and I believe a 50-something % from FT line. Unplayable if that's the case.
    I have to look him up. I did before when someone threw Cockburn and Queta
    before.

    Again, if Evan Mobley played at Western Kentucky his stats would not be
    as high as those you mentioned. Mobley was double teamed but not
    triple team'd

    Edited: Queta 70% from FT....but too heavy slow. Not a unicorn killer like Bassey

    Throw in FG% better with Bassey than Mobley.

    Mobley gets edge on stls (0.4 more) and Ast's. Again, Bassey had crap to deal with
    for assists.
     
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  16. D-rock

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    It is advanced guard skills in a 7 footer that defines a unicorn.

    You can dispute that definition all you want but the definition will not change.

    Bassey is not a unicorn.
     
  17. ApacheWarrior

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    Advance gard skills is laughable.

    I will let you cherry pick stats as I do the same...Kai Jones
    38% from 3 blows the unicorn Mobley out of the water. And
    Jones FG% is greater as well.

    Look mom, a unicorn (Kai Jones)
     
  18. D-rock

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    I love Kai Jones and have touted him ad nauseum.

    However, why do you think he's not called a unicorn?
     
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    I'm not sold on Kai Jones. He was playing with a lot of talent and disappeared for long stretches. Fierce defender against Abilene Christian, but on offense, no impact. Someone mid-lottery will snag him, but when the competition levels up, Jones may have trouble pulling it together.
     
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    I would think the most sure fire prospect to me is Kispert. Boring pick but 6’7”, can nail threes, and fits Utah’s “scheme” perfectly.
     
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