Question: Can someone answer me why do many say Steve don't got game no more? Didn't he proof he can be a decent backup on the phoenix game before he go down?
but to be honest, both steve and tmac deserve their criticism somewhat. when you are the best player on the team during their eras, and you lose, yes, you will get criticism. steve had the potential to be better than he was (PG-wise). tmac has the potential to be a top 3 player in the L (he was really for only the first year). so yes, frustration and criticism are warranted. i just hope the season starts right now so we can talk about games rather than things like this.
that's ONE game. mike james had 2-3 great games earlier on that gave a ton of us hope then he flopped. it's all about consistency. let's see how he plays next yr. we all hope somebody in scola, battier, steve, or someone can be that 3rd guy. that's all we really need.
see this is the stupidity of a poster like you, and i don't care if you are a 1999er. how the hell can you say he can't play through pain when all he did last yr was played through pain. carl landry is 7-8 years younger than him and took twice as long for the same knee problems. his knee AND shoulder never healed and he played to end the season AND playoffs just b/c yao was out. and as soon as we hit the playoffs, he picked up his level of play? what moaning are you talking about? in game 6, he was the only guy doing anything for us in teh elimination game. see this is the kind of stupidity you see on this board, and saying you're a 1999er gives you the right? please. even a newbie rocket fan can know you're just a bunch of crap.
no, if you don't love tmac, that's fine. i don't think anybody loves luther head right now, but that doesn't mean you're not a rockets fan. if you don't like the guy as a player, fine. nobody expects you to like every player. name his faults. then go on your business. no need to call names like he did something to your mom or something. it's a sport.
um they need to be healthy dude. get a hammer and knock it to your brain some common sense is knocked into it. talent doesn't mean jack if you're never healthy enough to fulfill it.
SF3 brought rox to the playoffs and was not able to break into the 2nd round. Tmac brought us to the playoffs but couldn't break the 1st round either. Take a look at the role players the two guys had.( besides yao) Tmac:Battier,Rafer,Jackson,scola ,landry,mutombo,luther,hayes. SF3: taylor, cat ,..guys too unfamous to remember. Besides , Yao has been improving since he entered nba in 02.In other words ,the yao palyed with tmac was much more capable than that palyed with SF3.Then who deserves the most criticism?
Thats not exactly a fair assessment. Tmac didnt have the luxury of playing with both Yao and Scola/Landry/Jackson in the playoffs.
it was frustrating with steve as it is with tmac. but heres how i see it. steve = not great potential or intelligence but plays all out with heart tmac = quite possibly the most gifted athlete period with little passion its hard to hate on a guy that plays to his potential with passion. its like hating a r****ded kid. dont get me wrong, i love tmac. maybe hes just not one of those guys that show passion, but damn that is frustrating as a fan.
Stevie is the poster child for abuse on this board. TMac gets his share of it, but Steve has a longer history with the Rockets. Stevie also got to be the franchise player for the Rockets when they went from contender to lottery team. He then completely resisted playing a complimentary role with Yao to make the team better. When he finally made his "triumphant return" to the Rockets, he showed up out of shape with a bad attitude and sulked when he wasn't made a starter. TMac might not have taken us to the second round, but that dude has been solid. The role players have let him and Yao down the past few years. He gets abuse, but Stevie has gotten more abuse, which was also more deserved than TMac.
dude steve has great potential also. he was a 6'3 dude with sick ballhandling abilities who could jump out of the building with a pretty nice stroke. he had the ability to be one of the best PGs to ever play the game if he put his mind into it. he played with heart, but he never developed his skills. tmac was fulfilling his potential (00-05) until injuries really hindered him. tmac actually for a 3-5 year stretch played to his potential (his years in orlando to his first year in houston). from 05-06, injuries really made him inconsistent somewhat. he really only played well in big and playoff games. tim duncan rarely shows passion. does that mean he doesn't care? you don't have to scream and growl like KG and annoy the heck out of every fan out there.
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Who's received the most criticism in Rox history? 4th option: Yao Ming in his rookie season if you consider the hilarious change happened on bandwagon fans...
Steve's a "G". Tracy the poser. When I look at players, I look to see who leaves all on the field/court. Never once did anyone question Steve's heart, it was his decision making that he got a crap from, with good reason. But you know, Steve wanted the ball in his hands at the end of a big game. We all knew Steve was leaving it all on the table, even though he fell short. That's part of growing up, falling and learning to pick yourself up. No matter what happens from here on out, Steve will always be a Rocket, "The Franchise". IMO For Tracy this is it, he could be at the end of the road as a Rocket. This disappearing in the 4th qtr is a old act. IMO, Tracy acts like the only thing that really matters, is the check in the mail. The Mcgrady era has really made my stomach churn. He's had a lot of hype, but hasn't had any more success than Steve had. Until Tracy can lead us to winning it all or at least have some success in the playoffs, the Tracy era will be a failure. Craig Biggio and Jeff Bagwell, never won big. They went to the series once, at the end of their careers. But the people of Houston never questioned their hearts because we knew they left all on the table, and thats all you can ask from a player. And I think if you ask most Houstonians if the Biggo, Bagwell era was a success or failure, I believe most would tell you it was a great success. Just having players like that on your team makes it all worth wild. Tracy on the other hand, who knows?
I agree, as a big steve fan i was never into the heart argument because steve could be such a baby at times. however, he was a sick athlete playing basketball, strong, coordinated, fast, leaping ability, the only thing he didn't have as an athlete was lateral quickness. he literally got by you with a quick crossover and just going past you, he was so fast and so strong once he got a step it was over. tracy is a very good athlete, not on steve's level, with sick basketball ability. tracy can do anything on a basketball part and you're right, at one point in time, strictly on ability not winning he was fullfilling his potential. steve for a couple of seasons was only one of two player in the league avg 20-6-6, one year the other was garnett, one year it was tracy. however when garnett did it, it was like 9 or ten board, and when tracy did it, it was like over 25 points. steve was barely in both times.
T-Mac. It should be Yao though considering he can't stay on the court for more than half a season the past 3 years. But we all know why Yao doesn't get criticized so much on these boards...
