LOLwut? Did these two stars come from Houston? Why are you putting the stars (if any) NY gets against the trade? If you exclude the KM-Arroyo-Landry trade (which was basically a different deal), the trade is: NY: Tmac Houston: Ny swap in 2011, Ny pick in 2012, Jordan Hill, Jared Jeffries Even if the picks' value drops and we end up not taking the swap in 2011 and getting the 31st in 2012 it was a win simply because all we gave up was Tmac. The only reason your logic would make sense is if you had some vendetta against the Knicks and consider them losing a bigger priority over your own franchise.
This draft is really deep with freshman talent, and a couple of kids from overseas. Harrison Barnes and Perry Jones would be the homeruns that our organization would love to hit. That would make this trade so lopsided! In regards to swapping picks with NY in 2011 draft: Isn't it top three protected??? If so forget the two studs I just mentioned. I hope it is not......This team really need a potential superstar, and both of these kids will be multiple allstars, if the stay healthy and continue to progress. Can someone explain the trade in more detail please.
We had to give up two picks to dump rice. The lakers got pau for expiring contracts, but more did good.
There is an article in Yahoo sports that was claiming the exact opposite, saying that this years draft is going to be lacking talent. There are supposedly no sure things, but then again the draft is far away and someone is bound to seperate themselves from the pack.
Even the supposed really bad drafts in history tend to have some very good players given hindsight. So assuming Morey's not losing his touch in the draft, I feel confident with him picking. The biggest thing to worry is whether the potential lockout may affect entries into the draft. That may kill us in terms of getting a stud. Thankfully, we have the Knicks 2012 pick too.
Agree, the potential lockout is going to be a big factor in what kind of talent will enter into this upcoming draft. I'm still blown away as to the stupidity of the Knicks in giving the Rockets the option to swap a top one protected. They must have been really confident in signing Lebron and never factored the allure of south beach.
I think the lockout's effect on the 2011 NBA Draft has been way overblown. As Daryl Morey himself has said on multiple occasions when asked about this issue, the "one-and-done'ers" (who will comprise the vast majority of the lottery picks) are not going to want to stay in school simply because of the POTENTIAL lockout. Remember, the league and the players union will be negotiating right up until the July 1 expiration date of the current CBA--and beyond--to try to resolve their issues. The deadline for early entry draft candidates to commit to the draft is several months before then. The top players are not interested in either (a) getting a college education in lieu of playing in the NBA right away (leaving is the smart business move for them, and they can always go back later and get their degrees if it means that much to them); or (b) trying to improve their draft stock by staying another year (remember, we're talking about the guys going in the lottery, so there's really not much else they could do to help their stock and could only hurt it from there). Plus, if you don't think that these players want to sign with agents as soon as they can (so that they can get PAID IN ADVANCE), then you're crazy. Sure, I'm not naive enough to think that these guys aren't getting some cash under the table from college boosters; but they can actually get paid out in the open (and probably in larger amounts) by taking out loans from their agents. This is a common practice. How else do you think these guys can show up to the NBA Draft is fancy suits and jewelry? Those top lottery picks will be just fine during a lockout. If they're selected in the lottery, then agents will have no qualms about loaning them copious amounts of money to get them through the lockout. Plus, to the extent that there's going to be ANY season in 2011-12, that's one more year of earning potential that they'd otherwise give up. Sure, there may be some effect on the quality of late first rounders and some of the second round (due to some sophomores and juniors maybe staying). But that Knicks pick is likely going to be in the mid- to late lottery. At that range, there will be some VERY attractive one-and-done'ers who will be available.
The only thing we lost was Carl Landry. We gained Kevin Martin, Jordan Hill and future #1 Picks. I say we won.
Technically speaking (to the best of my knowledge), the "McGrady trade" was actually FOUR (4) separate trades. They are as follows: Trade #1: Houston trades to New York: Tracy McGrady's corpse Houston receives from New York: Jared Jeffries, Jordan Hill, the right to swap first round picks with New York in 2011 (top-1 protected), New York's 2012 first round pick (top-5 protected through 2015, at which point it becomes NYK's own 2015 and 2016 second round picks), and Larry Hughes's corpse Trade #2: Houston trades to Sacramento: Larry Hughes's corpse Houston receives from Sacramento: Kevin Martin and Hilton Armstrong Trade #3: Houston trades to Sacramento: Carl Landry Houston receives from Sacramento: A $3 million trade exception Trade #4: Houston trades to Sacramento: Joey Dorsey Houston receives from Sacramento: A $881,000 trade exception
+1 I still can't believe tihs trade went down. Jared isn't even that bad of a player, the reason New york didn't like him was because his albatross contract didn't match with his talent. Jeffries could probably be a 11th or 12th guy on most teams.
We also lost the cap room Jeffries contract occupies. Anyone doubt we could have signed a better player than Jeffries for the 7M were paying him? People here seem to forget that this is why NY did the trade to begin with.
