Hennever eventually moved them did he? He had to have the perfect trade for GAsol come up for him to try. When Kevin Martin and Scola play started to dip a bit? He didnt move them at the deadline either. He sure didnt get anything done yet in his career of real note. He got Ron Artest and then gave him away to the Lakers for Trevor Ariza who he gave away for Courtney Lee.
Carroll Dawson-Among his most notable accomplishments were his selection of Yao Ming in the 2002 NBA Draft and his seven-player trade to acquire NBA scoring champ Tracy McGrady in 2004.
The Wolves traded away Garnett. If that's not rebuilding, I don't know what is. The Knicks got raped when Isiah was at the helm. They tried to clear the roster to get LeBron. That's rebuilding in anybody's book. Portland lost Roy. They traded away Wallace for peanuts. That's rebuilding.
That is not purposely losing. If the Warriors get that rebound they have 7 seconds left to tie the game up. In the other situation you are counting on the Rockets to miss free throws instead of counting on your team to get a stop and a rebound.
...pretty good hindsight, and I'm not really sure there was that much value in his expiring. But OK. He may have been able to blow it up a couple of years earlier. So he's a couple year older and deeper in debt. Wasn't a terrible gamble to hope Yao could recover to the point of being serviceable/tradeable. Do you fire a guy for that? The Gasol proposal was pretty big. You don't often see trades like that. So him putting it together in his first unshackled year was fairly gutsy. I'm not giving him a total pass here. But way too soon to judge given his circumstances so far. I think the Celtics comparison was interesting. I'm not sold on the Dalembert Camby moves....but did whatever potentials they brought really costs more than a spot or two in the draft? Houston at 14th has a .5% chance....Chicago at 9 had 1.7% chance at Rose. You have to be bottom 6 to get more then a 5% chance at #1. Rocket's were never bottom 6 bad.
You mentioned Allen and KG being traded to Boston (Pierce) Malone and Payton - - Went to join Kobe and Shaq All sorts of players flocked to LA -- Shaq signed on with the Lakers I see another pattern as well. Championship teams (and main players): Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas): Draft pick trade, #9th pick overall Jason Terry (Atlanta/Utah/Dallas): Draft pick trade, 10th pick overall Kobe Bryant (Los Angeles): Draft pick trade, top 13 draft pick (would've been much higher, if he and his agent did not have preference in destination) Pau Gasol (Memphis/Los Angeles): Draft pick trade, #3rd draft pick overall, Traded in what at the time seemed like highway robbery. Andrew Bynum (Los Angeles): 10th Draft pick overall Lamar Odom (LAC, Miami, Los Angeles) 4th draft pick overall, free agent signing, and traded twice. Tim Duncan (San Antonio): Draft pick, #1st draft pick Dwyane Wade (Miami): Draft pick, #5th draft pick Kevin Garnett (Minnesota/Boston): Draft pick, 5th draft pick overall, traded in blockbuster deal Paul Pierce (Boston): Draft pick, 10th draft pick overall Shaquille O'Neal (Orlando/Los Angeles/Miami/Phoenix/Cleveland/Boston): Draft pick, #1st draft pick, Free Agency signing, blockbuster trades. Even take a look at the Detroit Pistons: Rasheed Wallace: 4th pick overall Chauncey Billups (Boston/Minnesota/Detroit/Denver/New York/LA): He bounced around a bit, and was becoming a bust of sorts. Still, he was a #3rd pick overall. Tayshaun Prince: 23rd pick overall Richard Hamilton (Washington, Detroit, and Chicago): 7th pick overall, traded twice. Ben Wallace: Undrafted. Championship runner ups: LeBron James (Cleveland): Draft pick,#1st pick overall, Free Agency signing Chris Bosh (Toronto/Miami): Draft pick, #4 pick overall, Free Agency signing Dwight Howard (Orlando): Draft pick, #1 pick overall Karl Malone (Utah/Los Angeles): Draft pick, #13th pick overall John Stockton (Utah): Draft pick, #16 pick overall Allen Iverson (Philly, Denver, and Memphis): Draft pick, 1st pick overall Current stars that are the talk of the town: Kevin Love (Minnesota): 5th pick overall Kevin Durant (Oklahoma City): 2nd pick overall Russell Westbrook (Oklahoma City): 4th pick overall Derrick Rose (Chicago): 1st pick overall Chris Paul (New Orleans/LA): 4th pick overall, traded
My point is making coaching decisions like that are the closest thing your going to find to openly tanking. Which is loosing games on purpose. Its pretty hard to find examples actually on the court. The only thing an organization can do is move your best players if you can, and/or get a coach on board with the plan to make questionable coaching decisions to help the team loose games. Its actually pretty hard to openly tank or loose games on purpose. Rebuilding a totally different situation.
If Morey is planning to walk away after his contract, his words are going to be empty. We might be tanking....
Just needs to form it all into one thought instead of one post after one post followed by one more post. Other than that...
Morey is my guy. I love this. Maybe it hasn't worked out but look at all the tanking teams year in and year out. Gotta love his gumption. Hate on him all you want. I still stand for no tanking. Ever.
I'm not even concerned with the double posting... He has a habit of mostly arguing with himself, gets angry, and then starts calling people names. He's Ron Artest...no really, i think it's him
So I wont be able to prove some of you wrong over and over? When they have a valid point that does not prove me wrong that could be my leash forever. Think about that? Forever if Morey takes off like a star one day. Without Theta letting you know he sucks at his job.
I mainly talked about that because the Rockets radio announcers made it seem like Mark Jackson was an idiot for deciding not to foul when it was actually a very valid way to play things out. I agree with you on the rest of your statement.
Damn Morey, waiting until a good trade came along before wanting to make moves, how dare he! So he was supposed to give away Martin and Scola just to do it? What exactly was he going to get in return for our starting PF and SG hmm? Artest walked, Morey didn't "give him away", Ariza was a mistake which he turned into an upgrade in Lee.
Here is an idea. Year 4. If it ends in 9th place again? Could someone put a leash on some of you Morey lovers?
So you would have traded Yao, a player that you built your team and city around while he was injured and still had a chance to recover? So say he did recover and didn't retire, do you know how unbeliveably bad that would look on the Rockets organization? Sure, he had injury problems, but you don't just flip players like that on the fly without weighing all the positives and negatives. Moreover, do you know what the market for an injured Yao was? No, you don't, because you are not a GM. IF you want to criticize Morey, just stick to rational arguments and not ignorant conjecture....How many big name players have been on the trading block this past deadline? I believe it was a player by the name of Dwight Howard. A player Morey was aggressively pursuing via a deadline deal until he decided to "be loyal" to the city of Orlando. Look, big name players don't grow on trees in the draft or in free agency or in trades. Apart from that monster Dwade/Lebron/Bosh summer, there hasn't been quite a free agency period like it. Give it time, keep a cool head, and wait for the player and the trade. It is irrational to say that he isn't looking for a trade or player to come along...Also, look at last years draft, are any of the teams that drafted in the top 5 looking to have a promising future? I don't think so...so tanking and getting a top pick doesn't always brighten your future. Plenty of teams (see Wizards,Bobcats, Raptors) get perpetually stuck in the top of the draft lottery and never get out of the cellar of the Eastern Conference...There is no fool proof way to rebuild...it just takes TIME and patience. At least Rockets basketball is watchable, would you want to watch games if we had a roster, heart, and a coaching staff like the Bobcats? I am guessing not, but that is up to you...Calm down.
Well we learned that we cannot count on injury prone players no matter how good they can be...... Even if it meant it were Olajuwon... otherwise he won't be winner Olajuwon Players have to be durable, especially at their peak or prime in order to be EFFECTIVE
