Six pages, sheesh. Ok, here you go. Including Taylor and the three non-guaranteed deals we acquired today (Long, Kelly, and Hilliard) we have right around $6.5 million in non-guaranteed salaries. So that means we could trade for up to $8.3 million in incoming salary (150% + $100k). So a team could trade us a player or players making up to that amount and then they could waive our non-guaranteeds to get off a salary. Or we could add those non-guaranteed contracts in to a player transaction including a current contract to acquire a higher priced player. For example (and this one probably won't happen) we could combine those non-guaranteed deals with Ariza and trade for a player making $18.3 million. We also have a pure $3.33 million TPE from the McDaniels trade. Which means we can trade fit a player or players making as much as $3.43 mill. But the trade exception and the non-guaranteed deals cannot be aggregated together to get an $11 million player. But they add up to $11 million of incoming contracts we could bring in for nothing, "sort of". ::::::::::::::::::: Itv would be nice to add more n/g contracts
Damn so they could conceivably find a free agent that wants to be here on a starting salary of around $12MM and then engage the team that player is leaving in a S&T. For the other team, they would be getting back non-guaranteed contracts, Onuaku, and probably a 2nd round pick so it makes it worth it for them to engage. Wish Gallo would be obtainable for that price but know that's not feasible at all.
I never understood the Gallo love. He stays on the floor half a season at best, is getting older, and was never a particularly athletic player to begin with. He can shoot the ball but isn't he essentially a SF/PF lesser version of Ryan Anderson?
He's a significantly better defender and can score at all three levels. Versatile wing who can guard multiple positions, hit the open jumper, and attack closeouts (gets to the line at a very high rate).
Kelly isn't in that tweet? Rockets should have Shawn Long Tim Quarterman Ryan Kelly Isaiah Taylor + Onuaku who's not a significant piece to deal, but also isn't non guaranteed. So team really the TPE-like est shouldn't include Onuaku, teams will have to keep him or pay for his salary if cut.
Can't remember all those guys. Quarterman then. Taylor, quarterman, long, and Kelly. That's 4 ng deals that add up to 5.5 million that could be traded for over 8 million. Plus the 3.33 million tpe for mcdaniels.
I was thinking the trade exception needed to be used before July 1. Is that correct? If so, the SIgn and trade option would be out.
Dude, 1. There is no single trade exception. It's 5.5 million of non-guaranteed salary that can be aggregated with other players or by itself to yield 8.3 million of incoming contracts. Plus the 3.3333 million tpe from the mcdaniels trade. 2. The mcdaniels tpe expires next February, a year from the date of the trade. The non-Guaranteed contracts become guaranteed a follows: Taylor - first day of 2018 season. Long - $50k guarantees on 9/26, $250k guarantees on first day of regular season, entire salary guarantees on 1/10/2018. Quarterman - non-Guaranteed all the way to 1/10/2018. Kelly - becomes guaranteed on 7/7/2017.
Thanks. I was thinking they needed to plug someone into that space before the start of the next NBA calendar year on July 1. So the only real deadline they would be looking at is any deal involving Kelly would need to be done prior to the 7th (assuming that the team would cut him and save that money). I appreciate the clarification.
Other non-guaranteed salaries that could be targets for whatever cash we have left (if any) Archie Goodwin (Nets) - $200k guarantees on 10/31/2017, $1,577,230 guarantees on 1/10/2018. Treveon Graham (Hornets) - non-guaranteed all the way to 1/10/2018. Edy Tavares (Cavs) - non-guaranteed all the way to 1/10/2018. Dorian Finney-Smith (Mavs) - $100k guarantees on 7/7/2017, $150k guarantees on opening night, $200k guarantees on 12/5/2017, rest guarantees on 1/10/2018. Chasson Randle (Knicks) - $50k guarantees on 9/26/2017, $250k guarantees first game of season, rest guarantees on 1/10/2018. ***Patricio Garino/Marcus Georges-Hunt (Magic) - both guys can't be traded until after moratorium ends, both non-guaranteed, $275k guarantees first game of season, then guarantees completely on 1/18/2018. These are worth watching. They could be acquired with cash after the moratorium and then traded in aggregate after 90 days, which is before the guarantees kick in. Elijah Millsap (Suns) - can be traded after 7/9/2017, fully non-guarsnteed until 1/10/2018. Bryn Forbes (Spurs) - $100k guarantees on 08/01/2017, all guaranteed on 1/10/2018. Daniel Ochefu/Sheldon McClelland (Wizards) - $50k guarantees on 7/1/2017, rest guarantees on 1/10/2018. :::::::::::::::::::::::::: These are non-guaranteed contracts or contracts with extended guarantee dates that I deem as possibly acquirable with cash, that could be aggregated with other salaries after 90 days and still be mostly non-guaranteed. In theory at least, if we added a couple more non-guaranteed deals that could be aggregated into a larger trade later in the summer it could yield two $19 million players and a $23 million player in incoming salary. I'm not saying we have the assets to make all that happen since our assets are basically Ariza, Gordon, Capela, our 2020 first, and a few seconds, Onuaku, Hartzenstein, Llull, and a few other stash guys that ain't worth much in trade. But in theory we'd have enough salary to generate the acquisition of three large contracts if we add just a couple more of these non-guaranteed deals.
Yes, on Kelly. And that's one I'm trying to figure out. We traded for him and then included Wiltjer in the trade instead of Kelly. Either the Clippers wanted Wiltjer over Kelly (very possible, and I would, but I'd so then why acquire Kelly?) or we valued Kelly enough not to be concerned about using his guaranteed salary in trade. Then one unique affect of this deal appears to be that we acquired these minimum salary contracts using the minimum salary exception while being under the cap. We were then able to aggregate the salaries since we were under the cap when we acquired them tutto make the trade but apparently since w used exceptions to acquire those contracts and not cap space, we operated over the cap and therefore maintained the mcdaniels ype. @BimaThug can you verify this? If so, then that means Kelly can be aggregated in trade between now and his guarantee date. Need @BimaThug to verify this though.
Gordon and Kelly is enough salary for George after the moratorium. I know that's not enough value. Need to add picks, etc. But thought I'd throw that in.
There is no McDaniels TPE. We fell below the cap by over $3m after trading him, and kept the capspace. We signed Isaiah Taylor with capspace, thus any exceptions must be renounced to do that. We truly and purely have $9.75in "TPE" on non-guaranteed trade value, as Morey stated. Then throw in Onuaku. It is 175% + 100k. Redo your math on Onuaku, Taylor, Kelley, Long and Quarterman, and you should come out to $12m.
This is right, but to be clear Okuaku has a small, but guaranteed contract. We have a total of $9.75m in completely non guaranteed.
I am team get CJ Miles to the Rockets. Whether that's via this $11MM S&T scenario or via the MLE I think he'd be a great fit as a backup wing player.
No. You can't use a minimum exception while under the cap. (I'm talking about truly under the cap, with MLE, TPEs etc renounced). It counts as team salary regardless of how you want to call it. So, we call it using capspace when added while under the cap, and MPE when takes you over. Makes no difference, since you can always sign for minimum. Technically Long trade used "capspace" and Kelley used MPE. (EDIT: spotrac is wrong. All signings were for capspace per Bima) http://www.spotrac.com/nba/houston-rockets/cap/
Ok, kewl. Obviously I haven't looked at new cba. Still going off the old one. Is the 25% + $100,000 rule still the same for trades over $19.6 million?
