You know this got me thinking about it from the players perspective instead of the GM's perspective. If you're D12, CP3 or any other 1st tier superstar in their prime and NOT on the Heat, and the one thing you want more than max money is Chips, I would think you'd have to think for the next 3-4 years of your prime, how do you beat the prohibitive favorites like the Heat and even the Thunder? All teams as constructed aren't serious threats to a team like the Heat...sure they can challenge them, but they'd still be the favorites. I'd think if you're really going to challenge the Heat to win it all you have to be on a team that can match up at least. It's harder to put together a 3 max player team in today's CBA, but you'd almost have to really have a chance to win it all in the next few years as long as the Heat's Big 3 are together. So if you're CP3 or D12, do you think you look to play it safe and stick with your team and take the guaranteed money in hopes the organization can add pieces to seriously challenge the Heat? Or if there's an option to get on a team with 2 other superstars, do you take a chance during your prime years to get that championship? If it's me I take the best road to championships now because once the Heat are on the decline, I would be as well. Plus winning solves all problems. I think winning championships gets you more $$ than anything else. Plenty of max money to be had for your last contract if you're a champ.
The other options aren't even close to as good, not even in the same universe, if they were, he would pursue them because they would undoubtedly be easier to accomplish. 1. We need that whether its Dwight or Asik (who would undoubtedly be traded), it would however be much easier to fund a quality backup for cheap if its to ring chase with Dwight (Miaminomics 101). 2. and? He just amnestied one of those mid quality guys last season, why would we waste our space on another? sure if millsap wants to come cheap, but being a FA I'd highly doubt it unless again we're ring chasing. There are plenty of teams in the nba looking to be "just playoff teams and nothing more" and to them Millsap is worth considerably more than he is to us.
Of course that is plan A. Plan B is Howard and SMith. PLan C is Howard and another guy that will demand 80-100% of max.
a little off topic, but finally found out why the bbs have different spelling for morey. Just heard Stephen A on first take call him Darryl More-ray
No, it isn't doable and impossibly hard. Clips/Lakers r over the cap, therefore, cannot take any salaries back in a sign and trade. Salary is the problem... This has been discussed quite frequently. U can trade for a signed star, after 1 signs here, but u cannot sign and trade for an unsigned one.
Props to you Mr.Shark. Got really interested in this topic and followed up on all the fantastic posts by everyone on this thread. If I could sum up what I've learnt... 1) Projected Cap limit for 2013/14 is $70.3m Tax threshold $84.4m according to http://samcelt.forumotion.net/t4174-2013-2014-nba-salary-cap-luxury-tax 2) Rockets have $41m in guaranteed contracts next year according to coon's blog http://cbafaq.com/blog/?p=181 These players can all be waived and magically disappear: Francisco Garcia: Team option ($6.4 million) James Anderson: Non-guaranteed Patrick Beverley: Non-guaranteed Aaron Brooks: Non-guaranteed Carlos Delfino: Non-guaranteed Tim Ohlbrecht: Non-guaranteed Chandler Parsons: Partially guaranteed ($600,000) Greg Smith: Non-guaranteed 3) Max... Dwight = $20.5m CP3 = $18.4m J.Smith = 13.4 All free agents. 4) We can get Dwight Howard and Chris Paul by trading Asik for a second round draft pick. PG Paul (18.4) SG Harden (13.6) SF Parsons (926k) PF T-Jones (1.5) C Howard (20.5) Lin (8.3) Beverley (900k) Anderson (600k) D-Mo (1.4) White (1.6) G.Smith (0.8) 2nd Rounder (0.5) Total Cap $69m *Signing J.Smith would be impossible. The question is how do you sell this to Howard and CP3?
This is correct, the hard question would really be if you could trade Asik and Lin to teams with cap space so we wouldn't have to take back any salary. Asik and Lin have value and you could get something decent back for them, but if you're going to try to trade them for only a pick back, you're limited to a handful of teams that have cap space which therefore limits the market and value you can get back for them. Teams with Cap Space: Jazz, Mavs, Hornets, Spurs, Kings, Blazers, Suns, Bucks, Pistons, Cavs, Bobcats, Magic, Sixers. Of those 13 teams, how many would use their cap space to take on a needed starting 5 or 1? I think you could find a place for them, but you might not get as much value back as they're really worth since there'd have to be no salary coming back.
STOP! STOP! STOP! That ain't gonna happen. Ain't, won't, can't. Your salary cap projection is too high anyway. Way too high. Are you looking at luxury tax threshold or salary cap? And....Asik for a 2nd round pick? He's worth a Top 10 pick in this year's draft alone.
Yeah I find this thread entertaining to think and dream about, but the reality of signing 2 more max players like CP3 and D12 is unlikely unless the new cap figures hit the mid $60mil arena AND we'd have to settle for shipping Asik and Lin out for less value than they're worth.
The common denominator in all of those situations is that each of those players was not going to win a championship in their old location. They had peaked. Yes, if you want, you can point out the bigger markets -- but I think that's fairly disingenuous. As someone already pointed out, LeBron turned down NY and Chicago for Miami. It's about the winning and playing meaningful games in May and June. Many times that coincides with a big market, but it's winning that is the priority. He'll be 31 in the hypothetical we're talking about. And no, they won't pay him the max until 37. They'll pay him the max on a shorter deal until he's 33 or so, much like Duncan and Garnett have done (2-3 year deals) since they jumped into their low-to-mid 30s. The bottom line is that Dwight is highly likely to receive the max until somewhere in the 33-35 range, and that will happen whether he signs a 4- or 5-year deal this summer. Endorsements come from two things: personality and winning. I don't know about you, but the NBA star I see the most on television... plays in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. If you have the personality and the desire to be an endorsement/exposure guy, the best way to get it is to play in meaningful games in May or June. Nobody cared about NYK players when the team sucked. Huh? That comparison doesn't even make sense. Yes, the Clippers with Chris Paul are better than the Rockets. That's not the comparison. It's the Clippers' roster with Paul compared to the Houston roster with Paul. In my opinion, if you add CP3 to these Rockets, they're a contender and better than the current Clippers. If you disagree, I'll accept that logic, but to compare the Clippers with Paul to the Rockets without is bizarre and pointless for purposes of this comparison. And why the hell would the Lakers or Rockets trade Howard for Griffin, by the way?
Here is how I think the offseason will go for us: 1. Morey drafts the best available player with our pick. Probably some euro guy unless someone falls in the draft. 2. I think Morey will see if Howard wants to come here. I think we can release some role players and have enough to offer him a max deal. 3. If Howard stays in LA, I think Morey will see if LA has to move Pau or amnesty him. Pau would help this team out a WHOLE lot. Then he comes off the books after the season. 4. Morey see's how much J Smith is asking. If too much, he moves on to Milsap 5. Morey makes offer to Milsap. (I think he would be a very good fit in our offense and he is still young so he would have time to get even better with us) 5. Morey looks for a vet wing defender like Tony Allen. Or brings Garcia and/or Delfino back. Those guys can shoot the 3 and that is a weapon we need. 6. Finds a backup C with some offense. He said he wanted M Speights at one point. I think he may be a FA again this summer. 7. Gives Lin until the trade deadline to show improvement with the new additions. If he is not proving to be worth the contract, he tries to move him for another PG. I like Lin, I just think he would benefit if we had another scorer in the paint. Lin is not a 2nd option with Harden. He is not a good enough shooter right now to just be a spot up player. He needs a big he can play PnR with. This is a young and developing team. I dont think Morey and Les are in a rush to build it. This team will get better over the next couple of years with players like Parsons, Beverley, and one of the young PFs developing their games. We just need to find the right vets or young players to mix in. We are headed in a good direction so I am excited to see what the summer brings. For now, lets push OKC to a game 7!!!
I'm basing my salary cap projection of $70.3m from the above Megastahr's excellent post. Please read the link to the blog post about Stern announcing record revenue rise of 20% ($5billion) in the past year and how that would raise salary cap. We could get both Dwight and CP3 only if we blow up the team and pull off some pretty remarkable trades of shipping out Lin and Asik and T-Rob for picks or minimum contracts. Now, I'm more of the opinion we'll just try to sign Dwight and a PF, or just a power forward, I think we will keep our core LIN, HARDEN, PARSONS, ASIK, BEVERLEY intact and build around that.
Both Wade and Bosh took the back seat approach in their quest to winning a Championship pimpn. So why wouldnt Paul and Howard do it as well. Its not like they wont get their touches right.
The cap won't be raised by that amount, I believe the maximum yearly increase is such that someone on the 1st year of a max franchise contract can't earn more than someone on the 2nd year (somewhere between 4 and 5m), the rest of the BRI will be paid out as bonuses, this is due to the minimum salary provisions that would force teams into stupid contracts.
