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morey on the cutting edge

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by denniscd, Jul 22, 2008.

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  1. LittleWilly

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    Is he better than Dawson? Hell yes. All I need to say.
     
  2. Landlord Landry

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    fine.

    let me also point out my many other annoying grammatical faux pas i typically make, saving you the stress. i rarely capitalize, i often use split infinitives and run ons....etc. it's not english lit class and i'm not writing a thesis. so bare with me.

    i use typical internet grammatical errors, like yyyyy or....... to convey emotions such as sarcasm, long pauses etc....that are rarely picked up in internet forums when using proper english, okay?

    you can call me 'rook' as much as you wish, although i do take comfort knowing i have achieved 'memeber' status in less than 200 posts while others are still struggling with obtaining said status, all the while having more than 10 times the amount of posts i have made. so at least someone important has found my posts to be engageable.

    while i am a 'rookie' to bbs. that should hardley be any foundation for an attack on my lifelong loyalty to the houston rockets. it was only recently that i discovered clutchfans, and i am still here, posting, even during this relatively flat offseason. we can discuss my appreciation/knowledge of the rockets and nba all together another day, perhaps.

    morey.......

    i 'trust in morey' as alot of people here proclaim. i just don't think he fits the 'genius' monkier MOST people here regard him as.

    lets give him a lil more time and see how it plays out......i mean you do realize he HAS made mistakes....i.e. steve francis, deke(seems more like drayton mcclains ticket sales first-winning second approach) mike james.

    personally, i think aaron brooks was also a mistake, but time will tell.

    I think it is good that morey is hiring statiticians, but also remember that mlb sabermetrics define darin erstad as one of the best players in baseball. so take it for what it is worth.

    i just don't think drafting more 6-7 fowards who can't shoot FT's and signing an aged backup will get us passed utah, LA, NO...........

    again, I have little issue with darryl, i'm just not ready to give him the same crown some of you have.........not yet, it's only one season.
     
  3. Landlord Landry

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    as opposed to me coming up with yet another ununique tmac or yao handle....

    i put about all of 5 minutes into the thought of my user name as i felt it would have little to do with my posts.
     
  4. prv1981

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    Carl is that you?

    If it is, dont worry so much about the MRI and dont hold it against Morey.

    He is just doing what a really good gm does....
     
  5. leebigez

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    I'm not going to say he's doing a great or poor job, but to be in the upper echelon of gm's, you have to pull really good players from the draft and make great trades. Let me explore and newbie. Kevin Pritchard.

    He took over a struggling franchise with issues and has made some key moves and assembled all star type talent and very good young players in a short time. He traded Tyrus Thomas for Lemarcus Aldridge and drafted Brandon Roy. Roy is a all star and Aldridge is boderline and both are under 25. He also got Vazquez and drafted Bayless this yea with Odem coming back.

    I will give him his due when he drafts a all star caliber player or trades for one. Other than that, all these "steals" are just ok. The spurs drafted parker as the last pick and manu in the 2nd rd and has 4 titles, as well as numerous conference titles.

    Dumars got Billups for mle money, traded stack for hamilton, a bag of chips for rasheed, prince in the 20's, traded hill for big ben and atkins along with 6 ec apperances and a title.

    What I'm trying to say is when morey and his stat gurus pull a all star out of the draft or through trade, call me.
     
  6. BMoney

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    Stop. You are killing the English language.
     
  7. Landlord Landry

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    hey thanks for reading my post!

    did you catch the part where i pointed out the fact that i have the tendancy to ........'kill the english language'?
     
  8. slowmustang

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    BTW, the last player the Spurs have drafted that has contributed in any way: Beno Udrih in 2004. OUCH. Before that, they also traded away Barbosa and John Salmons. OUCH again.
     
  9. leebigez

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    They had Parker, so why would they need Barbosa. When did they ever have Salmons? He was drafted by philly and was later signed by Sacramento. Udrih was a numbers game. I'm not saying gms don't make mistakes, but when you can get 2 all stars after pick 28, you've done a great job. Dumars blew the darko pick, but what about scouting Chauncey his last year in Minny and getting him for mle money. Which people on this board always say you can't get good players with the mle. Prince was taken in the 20's, stuckey at 15, maxiel in the 20's and just look at the trades. He traded Hill for Big Ben and Atkins. The results are Wallace has 4 dpoy awards along with all star games and rip for stack was a big win for dumars. When morey starts getting all stars or top 5 positional players for mle money, getting a prince type talent in the late 20's and can trade 2 of your best players and get better, then i'll put him in their room.
     
  10. W22_STREAK

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    Morey is a Rookie GM. So I'd say he's done a great job to date, and unless he was involved in that Gay-Battier trade, I think he is doing a very commendable job so far.

    Buford and Dumars have been veterans in the GM department for years...so lets see how Morey does in the upcoming years before we make a final judgement.

    I'd say Morey is no where near perfect though. For example the Aaron Brooks pick in such a deep draft was nothing to shout about. And was he involved in the Gay-Battier trade? There isn't enough evidence to support that, but if he isn't then he is my favourite GM in the league.
     
  11. dragonwill

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    athletic tall forwardWhich reminded me of Eddie Griffin :mad:
     
  12. slowmustang

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    I just don't want to put a team on a pedestal when their last significant draft move is six years ago. That's all.

    It's also doesn't help that they have lost their advantage of international scouting and lost key people such as Pritchard, which was coincidentally was there for all of the "good" moves.
     
  13. csux

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    lets stop giving morey props till we get out first round, or we will be sounding like much homers. i mean i like our draft picks, but it's too early to tell, morey is only on his second year.
     
  14. robbie380

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    morey needs to hire that ex-professional gambler who only bet nba games. he was a big time numbers guy and gave props to morey and presti. it's too bad he will be blacklisted from the nba even though he would likely be a great asset.

    also it would be interesting to see what kind of backgrounds the guys he hires have. obviously statistics but I would be really interested if they have any sort of artistic or creative backgrounds.
     
  15. Rockets_Truth

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    Considering how young Morey is and how well he's doing his job in the small amount of time he's been here, I'd say the guy is a genious also and deserves more credit.
     
  16. peleincubus

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    people are posting some good arguments here. i for one think its a bit early to truly judge his Gmmmin skillls. but i think he has surly done at least above average for what he was dealt upon getting here.

    i think brooks will go a long way in saying where he will be regarded for the immediate future. greene will be given at least a two year pass where he will then be expected to be really good.
     
  17. HAYJON02

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    No one questioned that you like the rockets. Did I do that by saying your ideas are Don Knotts-like? I mean to do that!

    "Little issue" with our very competent stat analyzing knows-what-he's-talking-about GM does not equal "wayyyyy overrated". You never made a point is my... point. See? Excessive periods can be made useful! You even used the first round point Steven A Smith style, rook. Morey never held Heads hand as he hoisted an airball to Boozer.

    You made an Astros parallel and you want to argue that the Rocket's GM is weak? He is a genius. Compared to you or me. He went to MIT. That's a school for relative geniuses. But anyways, not all of their grads get cushy jobs in front offices. Did he shmooze his way into it in your opinion? Should he "go with his gut?" You prefer the Lucky Charms approach? Follow your nose, rook!

    Steve was a high potential move. He was an All-Star starter for most of his career. We got T-Mac for him, right?mDeke was an all-time defensive great and came cheap to bail us out the last two seasons when we needed him. Thats not a bad move. As you said, we'll see on Brooks. Wow good insight. We'll see. I never would have guessed that the future would tell us what will be.

    Your issue with height is silly. You would rather we drafted taller players with less skills. You do know that the league is getting shorter and faster. Big stiffs started to go out of style in the late 90s Jim McIlvaine style. Have our shorter players like Hayes, Landry, and Harris really been that bad? They're no Chucky Brown but I'm glad to have the end of the bench occupied by them. ;)

    I am the biggest proponent of self-deprecating humor but don't say "i 'trust in morey' as alot of people here proclaim" and then make a case for the opposite statement. Pandering to schizophrenics?

    It's fine if you are not good with words. Many young people aren't. Don't expect to be given credit for an argument that you never made. Intention is not evident in "........" even if you read into it. Use your words. They represent ideas. Rook.
     
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  18. DudeWah

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    Hayesfan and Hayjon BOTH START WITH HAY!!!!!
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    Coincidence?!?!?!
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    CONSPIRACY?!?!?!? :eek:
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    Oh the drama...
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    Steve Francis- Was always known as a low-stakes gamble. I don't see how signing Steve was a mistake.
    Deke- This is a mistake how? He started many games for the team and played well, while only costing the veteran's minimum.
    Mike James- Even if he never played, the trade still made sense as a way of getting out from under Juwan Howard's contract. Also Morey managed to turn James (along with Bonzi) into Bobby Jackson, a decent backup PG whose expiring contract could be a big asset this year.

    When even Morey's "mistakes" are solid moves, you know we've got a good GM.
     
  20. HAYJON02

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    To answer this challenge, I have not had two ribs removed. I would be happier for it and the smileys would flow like sometimes great beer.

    But also, I was a rookie too not too long ago. If I wasn't hassled like this, I might in habit be another rook. Cookie dough doesn't just form itself into Rocket dildos by itself.
     

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