That says nothing at all about what plays the Rockets run. All it says is that the MOST successful thing they did was let their play-maker create. That's it. You are trying to infer much more from that quote than what it is actually saying. Morey also says mid-range shots are statistically bad shots. Does that mean the Rockets NEVER take mid-range shots? No. That's not what it means.
It's not an opinion. It's a fact. Do the Rockets run plays? That is either a yes or no question. There is no opinion there. And I've posted several videos showing that yes, the Rockets do run plays. It's not even debatable... yet somehow, you are continuing to debate it.
I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove jtr. You seem to be on a zealous mission to prove everyone who disagrees with your opinion wrong. Seems petty to me. And if you think the Rockets run ZERO plays at all, you're mistaken. But, I guess it depends on what you qualify as a play right? Backside P&R isn't a play right?
No of course not. The Rockets do not call a play in game while the clock is running. Do they call out initial offensive sets, especially while in bounding the ball? Possibly. It would make sense. Initial offensive sets are ephemeral. They melt away as quick as they are formed. Is Horns a play? Has Horns ever caused a team to score a single point? Absolutely not. It is an offensive configuration. An ephemeral positioning of bodies on the floor. Horns easily melts away, transitioning into DDMO, high pick and roll, dribble penetration ... Nothing more and nothing less. I do not have any idea why you are finding this so difficult to grasp. Isn't this saying that Morey disagrees with calling plays? Isn't Morey coming out in full support of the principles of R&R? Isn't Morey saying that set plays, choreographing movement on an NBA court, actually less effective than just letting NBA players just play? This truly is not Rocket science.
Of course P&R is a play. Horns, or DDMO etc. are not plays. They are a positioning of offensive players on the court. This actually is a pretty basic concept.
The irony is tht jtr claims that he hates creationists and people who are like them. I presume that he hates those folks because they are religious on things they can't prove to be true. Well, his behavior is just like the creationists. He sticks to whatever "truth" he proclaims and either ignores any evidence that proves otherwise or twists the arguments or definition of terms such as "system" "play" scheme" and throw in some sophisticated sounding jargon just so his "truth" can continue to slip through the evidence.
Oh, they don't call plays in game with the clock running? Then what is this: <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/zC_lwFFDDYo?list=PLXWsHGeAyQD7A5Vk8zLEA-j3oLlJ-4OYH" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> ^^ That is a play specifically to get a 3-point shot. Right when they come down the floor, Parsons and Asik set a double screen on Delfino's man to free Delfino for an open pass. Parsons then continues through and sets a screen on Lin's man on the other side of the court so that Lin can run through and spot up for a wide-open 3 in the corner. That is a play. You can say it's not until you're blue in the face, but it won't change the fact that you're wrong.
Is there any evidence other than fans opinions and their eye test? I have not seen any. And I truly do not hate anyone. I got beyond that decades ago.
I think I have finally managed to do that. An offensive set is the initial positioning of offensive players on the court. It does not generate points. Offensive sets have a variety of methods to attack a defense. Those methods are plays. Plays are things like the P&R, screens, dribble penetration etc. What Morey was alluding to is that calling plays is inefficient. That is my understanding anyway.
Let me reverse things for a moment. Would anyone argue that defenses have set plays? I would. Full court press? Soft on ball pressure? Who to deny the ball? A 2-3 zone? That is about it. Why? Perhaps because the defense has no prior knowledge about what the offense will do? Probably. NBA defenses react continually to what the offense does. They play tag-tag, over or under, switch or no switch, to shoot or not to shoot. How a defense reacts is dependent on the offense. Does a defense ever go under a screen for Curry? Not if they know what is good for them. However Lee? Under every time. Offenses are similar. With the advent of the modern NBA defense how can the offense ever know what the defense will bring? Back in the old days offenses knew what to expect. Man to man. It actually is easy to scheme against the man to man. Or the 2-3 zone for that matter. But today, facing the complex defensive rotations in the NBA, how do you execute a play against that? A player has the ball, a play is set. And then holy cow Paul George is suddenly covering the ball handler. Do you run the called play? Or do you immediately reset? And then call another play? Imagine that without the called play. Players just reacting in the correct way to what the defense provides them. Because in today's NBA you never know what the defense will allow. One example - 2.9 defenses are very effective in cutting down the points scored in the paint. If a set play is called and the defense starts playing a hard 2.9 there is practically no opportunity in the paint. Or in the post for that matter. If the offense does not immediately react and swing the ball on the perimeter a golden offensive opportunity is certainly lost. And the defense has won. I can give you many other examples of why play calling on the offensive side is dead in the water in the NBA. It may work in Europe or in college ball but not in the NBA. Certainly some bad teams may frequently call offensive plays. But there is a reason they are bad teams. Do not expect the Spurs to call in game offensive plays. Their system takes care of that for them. Do Manu, Parker and Duncan know where to be at any given instance? How to react? Certainly. Do I think that the Spurs offense ever call an offensive play except out of time outs? Certainly not. And the Spurs system is what every single NBA team wants to emulate. Take it for what is is worth.
Wait, it was all about money? I thought it was about Adelman being unable to adapt to this new cutting edge philosophy of giving players more autonomy on the court or letting the front office pick your assistants? Every coach wants more input and doesn't like his best players getting traded without his consent. It is unusual, by the way, to ask a top-flight coach not to have control over his staff. Wait, I thought it was all about money? Please make up your mind. Not sure what you mean. How do you measure how good an assistant is doing? What proof is there that he has more control? When Morey was bringing in JVG ex-players, did that mean JVG had control of the roster? Not really.
Adelman is like most high profile head coaches. A control freak. This creates conflicts with the front office, because Morey is also a control freak. From JVG to Adelman to McHale, who has the most harmonious relationship with Morey? Do I have any beefs with the offense Morey has designed? None at all. Bring on the RGV offense! It will certainly be entertaining to watch. The Rockets in all probability will be changing at an astronomical pace over the next couple of years. The changes upcoming demand that Morey is in sole control of the Rockets. Expect record setting pace and it to be raining three point shots over the next two seasons. Morey's grand RGV experiment has been a success. http://grantland.com/features/nba-dleague-rgv-vipers-houston-rockets-future-of-basketball/ Will the Rockets be a better team once Morey implements the RGV offensive strategy into a NBA team? I have no idea. We will see.
I certainly can give a response. I just did not view that post as worthy of a response. bmd's post is the same old tired refrain as he and others always post. "This is my (uninformed) opinion, look at how good I am at video capture, how can you doubt my intelligence?" Well that certainly does not cut it with me. Who do these people think they are? Zach Lowe or Hollinger? It seems to be so. What is bmd? A fan. He can certainly sway my opinion, but only if he brings statistical evidence or reputable sources to the table. I quote Morey. In return I get back fan opinion. I am disgusted with it.
Listen to what you're saying. You want him to prove to you with statistical evidence that the rockets run plays in-game. You want charts, figures, and citations to convince you that the Rockets run plays? Think about that for a second.
Hey, jtr... why don't you educate us on the finer points of the DVD series that you said the Rockets' coaches ordered and implemented as their offense. "Alright, guys. I was watching the 4th DVD today, and here's a little something I picked up. They'll never know what hit 'em." Interviewer: Can you tell us a little about your offense? Finch: Yeah, I ordered these basketball DVD's off of Amazon and I watched them. I was like WOW, this is awesome. This is revolutionary. So I studied every disc. And what you see today is not an offense that I created with my years of basketball knowledge and study. I'd like to take credit for it, but I can't. All the credit goes to my purchase of the 5-disc DVD set, available on Amazon for 5 easy payments of $19.95.
And i again refer you to Morey's very public statement quoted in the first post in this thread. Can that thought from the GM of the Rockets be any more clear?
Can you highlight the part that says the Rockets do not run any plays as part of their offense? I can't seem to find it.
