Let's see: A role starting player, a soon-to-be bench player, an overpaid bench player, a soft backup center everybody wants to get rid of, two rookies with potential but couldn't crack all rookie 1st or 2nd team For A top 10 possible franchise player？ Every non homer would jump on that. That's going to be one of the biggest steal. With Morey's track record, he'd find a Brooks, a Chase, a Hill in every draft with those lottery picks. But he won't find a player like Bosh easily without top picks.
Why would Toronto take all those garbage players without roster spots for them to get rid of a highly wanted top player? Every NBA could beat that offer easily. It's not that Toronto want to get rid of Bosh for cap space, it's that many teams will compete to get him.
Hill, Ariza, and three consecutive lottery picks for Bosh isn't garbage and no other team can offer this. If you'd bothered to read my post instead of blindly replying. You'll see I mentioned they cut $5M in team salary. So they can cut excess players if they want to. The expiring filler contracts are for Hedo/Calderon who they want to dump. It's also an off-season trade, roster space doesn't matter.
Who cares how many teams compete to get him? It isn't even Toronto's choice. It's Chris Bosh's choice. If he wants to go to Houston, they will work out a deal with Houston. There is no "multiple offer" scenario.. Bosh will pick the team he wants to go to and Toronto will try to work out the most beneficial trade for them.
This has to be the most frustrating concept that people just aren't getting. TORONTO ARE NOT THE ONES WEIGHING THE OPTIONS. CHRIS BOSH IS. Bosh will TELL Toronto where he wants to go, and then Toronto and that team will work out a trade. Teams will be contacting Bosh DIRECTLY......Toronto won't even get a phone call UNTIL Bosh has decided where he wants to go.
Outside of his contract, why exactly wouldn't u want hedo again? He's a veteran and a shooter that will work well with Yao. He'd definitely give us more than Shane can, ESPECIALLY in the playoffs
Id doesn't matter. When Denver became the only team who signed Kmart a max contract, they offered 3 1st rounders. Bosh is steak is a lot higher so 3 1st rounders and Ariza won't do the trick. Other teams can offer a star player plus better young talents for Bosh.
It is NOT Bosh's choice because he and his agent won't take 30 millions less. If Bosh takes 30 million less, Rockets has no chance, they don't have cap space. If Bosh takes 30 million, Toronto has has the choice, not Bosh. Bosh will have imput, but not final decision. Tmac picked Rockets and Magic got 3 starters including one all stars in return. So this "pick" thing is overrated, not to metion Bosh hasn't "picked" Rockets yet.
The frustrating part is some fans here wishfully thinking Bosh is the one weighing options. Let's see. Bosh [b[WILL NOT[/b] take 30 million less for no big reason, We can bet on that. Bosh doesn't have the leverage to tell Toronto: " If you don't trade me to Rocket, I'll opt out". Becuase if he opts out, he can't go to Rockets for cap reason. For Rockets to get bosh, it has to be a sign and trade. For a sign and trade, Toronto will listen to the best offer instead of just hand Rockets the cake for garbages.
I don't know maybe his age has caught up to him or that big fat contract has caused him to mail it in, somethings wrong. I saw a severly flawed player in Toronto, this guy struggled even when he had the ball. He was slow, couldn't shoot, and lacked any playmaking skills which made him valuable. Ariza last year showed that he is third option material, he did everything to the level expected of him. Even if you look at Hedo's career stats, he produced about 14-15pts/game, 4-5 rebounds/game, 4-5 assists/game. Now look at Ariza's numbers after Martin arrived in Houston with similar minutes as Hedo, the number are about the same in every category. I'd say Hedo is a better play maker, but he's definitely worse at defense, so they even out. Now take age and contract in consideration, you've got Ariza winning in a land slide!
Rockets has no leverage to low ball Toronto because they can't sign Bosh outright even if Bosh opts out. Soemthing real good will have to be given. Chicago and OKC are in better situation because they can use cap room and young talents to get Bosh, Toronto doesn't have to take back cap fillers and wait, they can use the money saved to sign good players immediately.
this is true but there are other teams out there with max cap space that Bosh can bolt to which would leave Toronto with nothing. So in essence the Rockets/Bosh can negotiate using the space Miami/NY/Clippers/Chicago have as a reason to do a sign and trade with Houston. most of those other teams do not have the same pieces to do a sign and trade with (meaning they have pieces they would be willing to give up to get Bosh) so Toronto may come to a standstill when trying to negiotiate with them.
We have pieces, but Ariza+ picks or Hill + picks just aren't the right pieces. If you offer that few assets, other teams will have more to offer and you won't get it. Say you have enough money to outbit others for a ferrari, but you won't out bid them if you only want to offer 50 grand.
There is a 0.0001% chance Bosh walks from 30 million dollars to sign straight up with another team. Nobody has done it, nobody will.
That's true. In other words, Bosh can't make the final decision. Toronto bought that right for 30 million, a steep price.
Mcgrady was not a sign-and-trade. It's a whole different ballgame when it is a trade for a player under contract. I do not recall a team ever getting what what i would say is fair value in a sign-and-trade deal. Typically the free agent picks his destination and his former team gets what they can in the deal based on how much, if any, cap room the player's new team has- in this case Toronto would get more from us than usual because they are taking back matching salary (even though they would be expiring).
My arithmetic was off, problem with doing it by looking and writing quickly. Take the 12.75 less 100K and it's 12.65. The #s are close enough to get things tweaked to work. The point is merely what it would take, and it is workable even you might have to agree, not specific pieces in deal.
