Hedo is a better player than Ariza. I have no problem giving up Ariza in a package with Hill, Jeffries, plus our #14 pick, etc. for Hedo. I don't think Brooks is going to be part of this deal if it goes down. The other part of this is if Portland does want Hedo, we could possibly do the 3-way involving them sending us Andre Miller and Rudy Fernandez. In fact, this is the deal I would prefer. Rudy Fernandez would go nuts here in a motion offense playing with post options like Yao and Bosh. And Miller is a 2010 expiring that either plays and contributes or he becomes tradeable at the trade deadline for another championship piece. But worse case scenario, Hedo is an upgrade to Trevor. He's a significantly better shooter and a significantly better playmaker. Maybe not quite as good defensively as Ariza. But, in my opinion, Ariza's defense is overrated because of his gambles. MLE? There is going to be good value with the MLE this season. That is why Morey is saying it is available. It would not surprise me if Scola wound up signing a MLE offer sheet that we match. There is just not that much money to go around and not very many non-contending teams that are below the salary cap are going to be willing to pay more than MLE for a 30+ year old power forward who is simply a piece on a winner. They aren't going to build around Scola.
I wanna hear the interview but I can't find it. I downloaded the podcast of "Matt & Adam in the Morning", and they talk a lot about rockets but... no Morey. ¿?¿
Now we're giving up Ariza for Hedo? lol If we're going to agree to take on that much salary, we should be giving up less rotation players, not more. If they throw in Hedo, they get Battier, Jeffries, and either Hill or Scola. I wouldn't give up picks or Budinger in that scenario- Hedo has negative value at this point. I have a hard time not seeing a 3rd team involved if they throw him in, unless we pull off a S&T with Scola too to match the salaries. I draw the line at Ariza though. He's not a great defender, but we can't afford to sacrifice defense any more than we already have with our backcourt.
You better believe Morey isn't just going to take Turkoglu back without that changing the structure of the trade. Morey knows that teams give away 1st round picks to get rid of guys like that so I would imagine a scenario where us agreeing to take on Turk's contract would mean one less 1st rounder going from us to Toronto. Of course Toronto would love to shed some contracts if they lose Bosh, but it remains to be seen if they will have enough leverage to force that. They may or they may not. That Turkoglu contract is looking about as bad as they come. You would almost have to approach this from two different angles if you're Morey. What is fair value to give up for Bosh and weigh that against what would be fair for them to give you for taking on Turkoglu and subtract. Not to mention, now you have to add more players to the deal that you probably would prefer to keep like say an Ariza for example whom we picked up thinking he would be a good fit playing off of Yao. At some point you may just be giving up too much.
You must be kidding. Ariza is 6 years younger and paid only ~60% of Hedo. Also Ariza is already better than Hedo. Ariza+Hill+pick for Hedo? I would not even take on Hedo's contract if they give me Bosh and their pick.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Seriously, Hedo is complete and total trash at this point. Doesn't care as he takes games off and gets wasted in the meantime, doesn't care about his body, needs the ball, no defense, has been a cancer for the Raptors, has one of the 5 dumbest contracts (it's up there with Brand and Arenas), is old, etc. etc. I would not take him for Bosh. Period, and saying he's better than Ariza is pathetic. And if you're suggesting trading for Hedo, I don't know what to say. Anyone who would actually want to have Hedo on this team is a fool. Says who? It's possible theoretically that Toronto may not want to even trade them with Bosh - the amount of good assets they would get would be massively reduced in exchange for a team taking those two contracts, and no one wants to go play for Toronto as a free agent destination anyways. And I will say this again and again - if Toronto calls, says "We'll give you Bosh, but you have to take Calderon or Turk", you hang up. Period. We're not ever going to take those two.
Yeah me ether, Hedo's contract has to be one of the worst in the NBA(If not the worst), it doesn't end until his like 36... What could have the Raptors been thinking giving a 30yr old douche such an ugly contract?!... Hedo's contract is definitely a deal breaker, I wouldn't go near that thing with a 10ft poll!! The only way I see us taking it, is if they include their Lottery pick or Demar Derozan ... and even then I would hesitate greatly... --RB
Wasn't Hedo on the Kings before with Adelman? I think Hedo is good, if the system fits. Imagine Brad Miller and Hedo on the Rockets again...Sacromento Queens in the da house baby!!
Scola will be a FA so, if he is a sign and trade, then he becomes a base year player if we give him a 120% raise (including matching another team's offer). So, if Scola receives a contract for $7.7M, he is base year. That means that, to include him in a trade, we have to include yet another player making about $4M. At what point does gutting the team make sense? Scola at $4M (half salary as a base year player) + Shane ($7.5) + #14 (no dollar value until signed) + Jeffries ($7M) + Hayes ($2.5M expiring) makes five players just to equal what Bosh is expected to make. Now try to add in Hedo and we lose at least Ariza and Lowry as well. A third team? Well, now we give up Hill and/or future #1 draft choices. Sorry, I just don't see it -- even if Toronto were willing to that many lesser players over primetime players like Bynum of Los Angeles.
Are you crazy? Why would portland want Hedo and his contract when Rudy alone is already better than Hedo but with 1/5 amount of money.
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btw. to correctly calculate how much you can take back through trade, you have to base on what package you send out, not what package you receive. for example, if you send out 10 mil worth contract to the partner, you can take back max 12.5 mil plus 0.1 mil. so 12.6 total. if you send out 14 mil, the max you can get back is 17.6 mil (14 * 1.25 + 0.1). if you send out 13.4 mil, you can take back 16.85 mil. 16.8 is the max bosh can start with. please use the right base to calculate.
Flame me all you want. Hedo is a better player than Ariza. I didn't say he was younger. I didn't say he was worth what he is getting paid. I said he is a better player. If we have to take his contract on and shed Ariza to do it, to get Bosh, I'd rather do that than give up all our picks. I wanna keep at least our pick choice with the Knicks for 2010 to make one last final run at Rubio. On the court, Hedo is the better player than Ariza and will contribute much more to a championship contender than Ariza will because of his playmaking ability, his decision making, and his bball iq. Not to mention, when Yao and Bosh are on the floor and you've got a perimeter of Hedo, Kmart, and Brooks, we become unstoppable offensively. That team should average 110+ a game. Yes, they are going to give up more points. But Hedo is a crafty defender. He isn't a bad defender. Our defense is going to solidify greatly with the addition of Yao and Bosh. Bosh is a big time upgrade defensively at the 4 and Yao in combo with Hayes and Bosh gives us great interior D. What if as part of the deal, we got Battier to agree to a very small buyout from Toronto to agree to re-sign here for the MLE? That way we could use his salary in trade and bring him back. He doesn't lose any money and Toronto can save a boatload on the deal. There's all sorts of creative ways to do this deal and once again, worst case scenario, Hedo is a better player on the floor than Ariza is. Hedo gives a halfcourt creative/distributing presence that we lack right now. We have no player that can initiate for the team better than Hedo right now. Hedo at the top with Martin and Brooks on the wings, Yao on the block, and Bosh in the corner???? That is the best offensive unit in the league in the halfcourt. Wanna run fullcourt?? Bring in Lowry and Scola for Yao and Hedo and run the opponents into next week.
