mini-Shaq? Who wants a miniature Shaq? The guy is good because of his size and strength. Any smaller and he's just a mediocre player.
Agreed. I don't see Morey as the kind of guy who would look for a guy with big upside, although one might argue that he took a chance on Green.I feel he will go for more experience,low upside instead.I don't see anyone with real upside falling to the 25th pick anyway.
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One name that keeps popping up fitting that category... Morey visited Barcelona on a scouting trip earlier this year. Serge Ibaka plays in Barcelona. http://slamonline.com/online/2007/09/my-adidas-basketball-experience-continued/ http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Nike-Hoop-Summit-Report--Day-One-/
Colangelo really likes Calderon. Rumor to be almost untouchable by Colangelo. Colangelo ain't salivating at the though of a steal with a Calderon for Battier trade. Battier doesn't even provide cap space.
I was talking specifically about Jawai and Newley by the way. I don't rate Newley what so ever, I think his born a loser. Jawai is good, but I don't think he'll be able to match up to the athletes in the NBA. Sure he can rip it up out here in Australia but honestly the competition here is pathetic. At the 25th pick I think we'll just have to see what falls to us. Anyone could be a sleeper the way I see the draft falling.
Yea I definitely agree I've always said that without an elite pg especially in the west it will be hard for the rockets to make any noise in the playoffs
Honestly I was disappointed with management picking up Newley. Herbert Hill in my opinion was a far better choice for a 54th pick. I'm aware that Hill got injured but Newley was useless. Jawai will have problems with NBA athletes based on what little I've seen of him but he seems to be a respectable player.I wouldn't mind if management got him with a high 2nd round pick.I hope DM won't go for a stiff or a runt with the 25th pick.Go for someone with skill,some size, decent athletic ability with a good work ethic. Avoid guys who play soft,are one dimensional and have a history of injuries.
I agree but to be honest we all know we are reaching in the second round. Not everyone can turn out like Michael Redd or Gilbert Arenas. Its just that Newley has absolutely no chance in hell of doing so. Heck he can't even dominate here. What makes anyone think he can be of substance past a bench warmer in the NBA. Jawai is raw i must admit. If he gets more experience under his belt he might be useful. Its all development I wouldn't mind Jawai at a second round pick but if Bantum is available at 25th I would take him.
Battier is our only hope when packaged with another player inorder that we make the right trade to get the decent scorer, or Point Guard, we most desperately need. Morey must wake up and smell the roses!!
I'm not going to crush morey, but the evaluations are puzzling and now I really know who made the trade. Basically, he doesn't look for high ceiling guys which tends to be the more atheletic types. Nor does he take into acct size relative to position. I'm still trying to figure the "what the market thinks" thing is. Looking at guys like prince,howard, parker, finley and guys like that chosen after the 20, there is a lot of value down there. The key is getting a guy that will get better with a high ceiling.
Bingo. Landry had experience and turned out to be a very nice pick with athleticism but I feel Morey won't take a chance on a player with a high ceiling if he doesn't think he can perform immediately. Green came cheap,but when it comes to a 1st round pick with a 4 year guaranteed contract,Moreyball will come into play. Brooks had speed and college experience despite his short height which was the criteria Morey used. Batum won't be there at 25 but I feel DM would pass him up for a more experienced but limited upside player. The trade for Battier for Gay was done by CD on the basis of Morey's evaluation.DM is likely to do it again.
Its a 4 yr contract, but its not a lot of money. I remember when those same guys were coming out except parker, I thought they would be really good players. I thought this because finley, howard, and prince were really good atheletes that if the work ethic was good could get to that ceiling. When I watch college players who are going to the nba, the atheleticism sets the ceiling and the skills sets the floor especially when u talk about the 2,3, and 4 spot. The work ethic can tell u if that player will ever get to that ceiling. When u can find that right guy, ie kobe,james,tracy, howard,kg and guys like that, u get a special player. When u miss, u get kwame,swift,miles and guys like that. Being safe gets u Kittles rather than kobe. Safe gets u okefor vs howard. Sometimes safe is cool and potential will get u fired, but u don't become bill gates or micheal dell being safe.
Saleem, it wouldn't surprise me in the least that Morey and his scouts take a college senior if they keep the pick. I value athletic size more in this year draft than ever for the frontline and backcourt.
Brooks and Landry are not "the more atheletic types"? Who are the "high ceiling" "more atheletic" guys he skipped over for Brooks and Landry? Josh McRoberts? Big Baby? Who?
I'm not going to turn this into the Rudy Gay thread, but thats why he traded Gay for Battier. It was production now vs production in a yr or so. If u believe like i believe Morey made the draft, then u look at novak vs everyone else taken after him from milsap to powe to anyone else. Its not about hindsight is 20/20 but when u here the logic behind drafting players, u get the feeling that he doesnt take high ceiling guys. U mentioned Brooks and Landry. i happen to like both guys, but both have limitations because of height and size. Now i believe Brooks can be similar maybe not as good, but similar to Parkers if he gets stronger, but he's limited by size. Landry a good athelete but he also has size limitations as well as medical limitations with the knee. Landry can be a Boozer type of clone or he can be malik rose/kenny thomas/gary trent type of player. Its nothing wrong with that nor am i implying those guys taken after him can be special, i'm just saying that when u have a great athelete with size relative to his position that has a great work ethic and good basketball skills, u can have a special player vs a good one. Good can get u a couple of all star games, special can get u hall of fame.There is a difference.
CH,I'm not answering for leebigez, but I'll tell you what I think if DM has a choice between Batum vs Lee,he might go for the latter if he feels that Batum will take a lot of time to adjust. I like Lee and I'm not denying that he isn't athletic but he isn't as fast as Batum who seems to be the player with greater upside but with limited experience as compared to Lee.
