No, I don't. Howard and his inability to spread the floor hurts Jones's efficiency down low. Jones and his inability to spread the floor hurts Howard's efficiency down low. Both of these statements are true for the same exact reason.
You are joking aren't you? Please tell me you are joking. Because a team with James Harden and Jeremy Lin and Chandler Parsons does NOT, I repeat does NOT, have a problem being able to break down the defense from the perimeter first and foremost. You are joking aren't you? You have to be. I cannot believe I'm actually reading a post that says this. My god man. Harden gets to the FT line more than any other player in the league besides Durant. Can't break down perimeter defenses? Please. The biggest problem on this team is the power forward slot. I'm not attaching names to it. I'm saying the 4 spot. Our 4 spot has trouble defending against other teams 4's. And our 4 spot has trouble helping our offense by spreading the floor and creating space for Dwight and Harden to operate. I cannot believe we have posters here (or at least one poster) that actually believes we need better perimeter penetration. If I were a cusser I'd cuss. LOL.
Dude...Jones is shooting 74% down low. Do you think he's going to shoot better if we have somebody else at center besides Dwight??????????????????????????? Like..................if Jones were playing with Asik or Donuts he'd be 80% down low or what????????????????????????????????????????????? Are you implying that we need to play Jones at center and spread the floor around Jones with a shooting four????????????????????????????????????? Because if you are...we have already seen that experiment. You put Jones at the 5 and we get absolutely butchered, just totally annihilated out there. Because Jones is not big enough to play 5 in the NBA. Dwight is not hurting Jones. Dwight and the attention Dwight receives actually is helping Jones down low. Dwight is the primary reason why Jones is shooting 74% down low. Because defenses are ganging up on Dwight and Harden. That is exactly why Jones' 74% down low is that high. Goodness gracious guys. Let's be realistic here.
Using FG% as a measure of a player's worth with such a high percent being three pointers is illogical. He is league average from mid range and in the paint (not at the rim). He is below league average on above the break three pointers that skews his FG% on shots other than at the rim.
Joe Joe, This is Terrence Jones' shot chart for the season: Joe Joe, Terrence Jones is shooting a combined 35% from everywhere on the floor but the low blocks. He has zero shooting range. He is not league average from midrange. He is below average. He is below average from everywhere but the low blocks. He is shooting an abysmal 42% in the paint area that is not the low blocks. He is shooting an abysmal 35% from midrange. He is shooting an abysmal 31.2% from the 3-point line! He's so bad of a shooter that he doesn't even WANT to take wide open shots out there. 99% of the shots Jones takes he is wide open with time to plant his feet, square his shoulders, look down, look up, look all around, fake the shot multiple times in an attempt to get the defense to come up so he can drive before he finally shoots the thing. Joe Joe, he's one of the WORST SHOOTERS in the NBA.
I see Jones as shooting 70% from restricted area based on shot charts on stats.nba.com. Do you realize that Jones as a rookie shot 68% from the restricted area using same site? 68% and 70% are basically the same number especially considering your rational that a couple (as in two) of extra makes is the same. Last year, Jones had Asik, Smith, and Motiejunas as center. I tend to think Dwight and Motiejunas (this season's version) draw a lot more attention than Smith and Motiejunas last year. I also tend to think Jones has improved. Asik tends to draw defenders to Harden. Even if you disagree with the last paragraph, Howard has no significant affect on improving Jones's ability to finish and we are both wrong based on last year's stats.
First of all... you need to calm down. You truly sound like your a D-Mo post away from the nuthouse. Yes, I know that Harden is one of if not the best guards in the league at breaking down defenses. Parsons, and Lin aren't too shabby either. Everyone who has watched basketball in the past 5 years could tell you that. Only simplistic thing I was getting at was in the few cases (OKC recent game & a few match-ups like the Grizzlies comes to mind) when teams have the size and length to effectively pack the paint to where Harden & Co CANNOT penetrate and break down the defense, it then renders McHale to then go small to infuse more tempo to combat those match-up issues taking Jones and D-Mo out of the game.(We've seen this happen before and you immediately spark up this or the other D-Mo/Jones thread to then bash them repeatedly when they barely played because of match-ups). However, as we know, those occurrences are very rare, and hence why the Rockets are where they are having a historic season and Harden is an MVP caliber player. But when Harden can't be Harden it usually has to due with a team like OKC or Memphis closing off the paint, and the Rockets not being able to either hit shots from 3 to create space, or in a Hail Mary situation, go small to combat these match-ups by pushing the pace with small ball. You following along...??? this is pretty simple stuff BHollic. I'm almost done here before you can argue at the wall again. I NEVER once said that Jones and D-Mo's shooting from 3 is NOT an issue because YES its not a reliable weapon to combat teams that can do this, nor did I say its not a weakness just like it was Rondo's shooting and inexperience with Boston were a weakness in 07, and having very little depth and outside shooting was an issue for the 09 Lakers.... However in the cases you were JUST laying out & arguing with another poster about (Rockets Achilles heel: facing opponents in the playoffs that might be able to successfully pack the paint and keep Jones from getting his high percentage shots that he thrives on now), how the defense game plays against the Rockets MATTERS on what kind looks Jones and D-Mo will get, and their ability or inability to do so will impact what Harden, Parsons, and Lin are able to do with dribble penetration. Jones and D-Mo will only go as far as the Rockets offense is able to take them. Harden being able to do what he does is the most important part, and will be the most important part of their success in the playoffs. Not sure why that's such a F-ing "laughable" comment to you. I should have known a SIMPLE question about how certain defenses are going to play the Rockets in the half court would turn into a debacle with you trying to turn NOTHING into an argument with the wall.
Joe Joe, with all due respect, Terrence Jones is one of the WORST SHOOTERS in the NBA. That's it. Go look at the nba.com charts if that makes you happy. Shows the same thing. Basketball-reference shows the same thing. vorped.com shows the same thing. It's all the same data man. He's a terrible shooter....terrible. Doesn't matter what website you look at. They all show the same thing. He can't shoot a basketball.
Your chart shows two good areas from mid range and two bad areas. That seems to be...what's the word....average. That isn't too scientific and it is bad sample sizes. Go to stats.nba.com, find Terrence Jones's shot chart. Click Basic zones. Look at mid range....it is yellow for average. There is a reason mid range shots are bad. And guess what, Jones doesn't take many mid range shots. Jones does not have three point range especially above the break. He is a horrible three point shooter. Edit:I'm an idiot. Three bad zones versus two good so below average.
The post had nothing to do with shooting. It is about finishing at the rim. You claim Howard helps Jones. He was a great finisher before and with Howard. Howard has little affect. Jones is a horrible three point shooter. Mid range shots are bad, but Jones keeps them low and is actually in the average range at them. It is all the same data you just don't seem to realize how bad NBA players are at shooting mid range jump shots. Even the great Aldridge, King of the mid range jump shot, is usually in the high 40's if I recall correctly.
Look at the Rockets players. Jones is an average mid range shooter. Dwight, Asik, Motiejunas, Beverley, Garcia, Smith, and Casspi are worse mid range shooters. Parsons is a whole 1% point better. Harden, Lin are better.
How much time in a day do you think Morey sits down and analyzes how good Jones or any other Rockets player shoots from Mid-Range since its obviously such a pressing issue to them? Why are we so concerned with it on here? Basketcaseahollic is just trying to bait you into a pointless discussion so he doesn't have to feel like he's just arguing with himself.
The whole point of the Rockets offensive strategy is to not take mid-ranged shots. Except for Lin and Harden who have to shoot due it to shot clock issues, every mid-ranged shot is a bad shot. The quickest way to get a one way ticket out of Houston is to take to many mid-ranged shots.
Yeah, Morey would never mess with any player who loved mid range shots. EG players like Melo/Kobe/MJ all guys Morey would run away from unless they were willing to sign for vet minimum. Morey knows that if you are like mid range shots there's no way you can help a team win in any other area. Once you like mid range shots you're done, there's no going back.
Yep, thanks for the affirmation. It is a new day in the NBA and Morey rules. Have you read about the RGV this year. LOL. MJ is gone, Kobe is the walking dead and Melo will never sniff the petrochemical air in Houston except on a visiting team.
I like discusses basketball even though it is rather pointless. Even though he is baiting me and I in turn am baiting him, it does force me to defend my points and to look at my position.
Can you list all the weaknesses of every playoff's team sir? The Clippers have beaten the Thunder twice year. So tell me how the Clippers took advantage of the Thunder weaknesses? The Blazers broke even with the Thunder 2-2. How did the Blazers take advantage of the Thunder's weaknesses? The Heat has lost to some good teams. How did those teams take advantage of their weaknesses? The Suns beat the Pacers twice and soundly might I add. How did they take advantage of their weaknesses? So are you telling us that certain teams will win in spite of their weaknesses and the Rockets don't stand a chance because of theirs?
I would say that you are bringing up a possibility as remote as Houston acquiring LBJ this off season. Dream on.
