More Than 500,000 Rally in L.A. for Immigrants' Rights

You're entitled to that opinion. I'm not going to call it stupid, moronic, **** faced, or anything.

You could do a lot better if you attack your opponents with facts instead of effusive catchphrases and insults.

My opinion, of course....

 

Hot Topic and in general, the law presented was stringent, but more political than anything else...Then entire country is based on people from different races, cultures and values...Illegal is still illegal, but everyone understands the importance of having an opportunity to succeed, as that's the fabric of our nation...

Hell, in our everyday lives, illegals build our homes, mow our lawns, do services that no one else will and to wipe that away is not only wrong on a personal level, but economically as well...

 

"do jobs that nobody else will do..."

What a completely unfounded thing to say. A better way to say it would be to say: They do jobs Americans would do but for much cheaper.

Im half-Mexican (I say that to head off the racist remarks people throw at thoses opposed to illegal immigration). The notion that illegals "deserve" anything is just wrong. The people we should be helping out are American citizens.

Illegal is still illegal. I don't know how else to put it. There are consequences when you break the law. We're not supposed to coddle criminals.

 

Wow. My mother and father both came into this country illegaly from Mexico and became great citizens and contributors to society. I' am not even mad a bit about your comment, I actually had a hard laugh at your narrow-mindedness.

 

QUESTION: What do they want?

A Friend was saying to me
it seems like they want Education, Healthcare, benefits
and to not have to pay taxes . .. HELL I'd like that deal

The issue with illegals is
THEY NOT PAYING TAXES
therefore they should get NOTHING from what those taxes provide

So again . . . What do these Protesters want?
because the above is just ridiculous to think they will get it
THAT IS BETTER THAN WHAT CITIZENS GET!

Rocket River

 

Illegals do usually pay taxes. Taxes are deducted automatically from their checks. Since they are illegal they rarely ask for refunds.

They pay into social security but never draw out social security benefits. They are helping to keep social security afloat.

 

not on Cash jobs . . which i beleive is the majority of the work illegals do

Rocket River

 

How do illegals get paychecks without a SS number?

 

Well, they don't - they get paid cash. I'm not a tax expert, but this is how I think it goes....

Social security taxes are paid by both employee and employer. So while the employer may be paying these illegal workers by cash, he's also paying social security taxes (and Medicare and FICA) himself based on their wages. He has to, unless he wants the IRS on his case. He then reports that the employee is contract and responsible for deducting his own taxes. Because the illegal workers usually fall into the lowest tax bracket, I don't think they'd actually be required to pay any taxes. So in the end, many illegals are putting money in the system (through their employer) without draining it.

Of course, it isn't all this clear cut. There are employers who don't pay social secuirty, medicare and FICA taxes for illegals and their may be some illegals who sometimes make enough that they should be paying taxes. So their are some people mooching on the system, but there are also many more citizens who don't pay their fair share. So I think to say that illegals are the worst offenders when it comes to mooching is a little misguided.

Again, I'm no tax expert and would welcome clarification from someone who is.

 

Workers getting paid cash are getting the money completely under the table so that both the company and the worker can circumvent taxes.

 

Tell me do you ever drive over the speed limit? Have you ever jay walked? Made a turn over a double yellow line?

I think you will find that people do illegal things everyday but its not worth it to attempt to impose draconian enforcement. In the case of illegal immigration not only is it exceedingly difficult to try to enforce there is a huge benefit to our economy.

 

Many illegals create fake SS numbers and get paid in checks which have SS deducted. They never file for refunds, or collect the SS, so it actually helps fund the govt.

 

Not sales taxes and as pointed out illegals aren't eligable for things like EIC or SSI.

 

while I would not have been as caustic about it, I pretty much agree with this part.
I rarely hear any illegal immigrants talking about what they can do for this country....its always about what we can do for them. You want something from us? Fine....go thru the process...obey the laws on the books.

I also dont buy the argument that we could not fill the lowly positions the illegals take....we got tons of non-working welfare folks and homeless people that could sure use a job....any job.

on a personal note aces...

you do realize you dont have to constantly throw insults at people who dont agree with you to get your point across right?
Maybe Im just being silly/naive thinking you cant be a bad guy since you have such great musical tastes...but your political TJ-clone act is surely beneath you..you would be taken much more seriously if you could be more reasonable in your political discussion.



FB...like in the other thread...gotta disagree with you again.

In the past, I have been around a business that used to hire illegals...they ALWAYS got paiid cash...all those day laborers you hear about?? Cash on the barrelhead paid at the end of the day...illegals with fake SS #s are very much in the minority.

 

They use fake numbers.

 

That's what I think, too but that's not what FB said.

I think the purpose of cash pay was to evade the system? It certainly can be manipulated-- everything from under-reporting to non-reporting.

 

Isn't the employer responsible for accuracy? What if they use a number that is soon-assigned or already-assigned? Who suffers then? Isn't that Identity Theft?

 

I'm sorry, they circumvent income taxes. Of course that's really fair to the American citizens and others that are here legally that do pay taxes. I honestly do not see how people can defend this? People are here ILLEGALLY, not paying the taxes that they should, and mooching off of our system. What is to defend?

As I stated in another thread, it makes it more difficult for the people who are doing it THE RIGHT WAY. I know first hand since my girlfriend is a Swedish citizen who has a job, pays taxes (all of them), and has her own support system (insurance, etc.) so that the US government does not have to help her in times of need. It is a slap in the face to decent people that DO IT THE RIGHT WAY!

It is not the US's problem that Mexico sucks. If they do not like the system in Mexico, apply to come to the US like everyone else has to do.