More Than 500,000 Rally in L.A. for Immigrants' Rights

Too bad kid. THis is America, you can love it or leave it. Go back to Mexico from where you came. Nobody's immigrating there.

 

I stand by my belief that this will have a huge impact on the Latino vote in '06 (and perhaps '08... not as sure, because the GOP will have more time to repare the damage after getting hammered in November)

Bush, while Governor of Texas, before he became the living embodiment of the Peter Principal, proved very adroit at courting the Latino vote. He (and Rove) had continued to exhibit that talent since being "elected" in 2000, but Latinos have heard his tired line for years now, were beginning to drift away already, in my opinion (those who bought into the rhetoric, that is), and this huge event will be a big positive for Democrats running for Congress in the Fall.



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Are you prepared to "talk" about President Bush now?

 

I really think that the border is used to maintain the status quo for the elites in both sides. Hence we have Bush hobnobbing with coca cola mogul of Mexico, Fox, who is current president of Mexico.

If we blocked the hungry and futureless Mexicans who come here and they stayed in Mexico, there would be a revolution, some of them would professed to be leftists or leftwing populists (right wing populists are revered as Limbaugh's GOP dittos) and then we would have to send our economic draftees aka known as the volunteer military down to allegedly fight for the flag.

The elite of Mexico rests easier with the restless hungry folks up here. The US business class then uses these undocumented to lower the wages and of those Americans who actively compete with them for the same jobs

Now you might think that American workers, might react like Mexcican workers if trapped economically, and rise up and start a rebellion or unionize or do something to try to fight back. However,the beauty is that the American workers, black, white and, as we see with Aceshigh7 ,even some first generation Hispanics just get mad at the poor immigrants never really understanding the elite politics involved.

The elites open the border or close it according to what makes them the most money. As we see now it is fairly easy for them to stir things up for eoncomic or political gain.

 

Deckard, I hope you're right about the Nov 2006 elections. Rove and the boys thought playing the immigration card would help them in November and turn out the nativist vote.

Is there still time to register Latinos to come out and vote against the GOP which snuck that ridiculous House bill that makes churches feeding folks felons?

 

I just think unions and Big Labor will force the Dems to fumble this gimmie.

I also think there's more than enough legal Mexican Americans who have a total disdain over illegal immigration based on a few first hand accounts. The onus on the Republican party is to nuance the debate past the stigma of racism and they have the experienced infrastucture to accomplish it.

 

Unions and big labor, certainly traditional allies, and welcome, have declined in importance. Don't think the DNC hasn't noticed. It's past time to move beyond the rhetoric that has failed to move enough Americans to vote for Democratic majorities in Congress. I'm expecting fresh faces and new voices to animate the Fall elections. I think we'll see that as the elections get closer.

The GOP won't win if they stay with their bankrupt message, radical policies, and catering to the Religious Right. I'm always amused when someone brings up unions and "big labor." The fundamentalist religious right of the GOP, which has influence far beyond their numbers, is larger and more influential with the GOP than labor is with the Democratic Party. As far as I'm concerned, that's not an opinion, that's a fact. It will bite the GOP in the butt in November.

Americans are sick of the whole Bush/Christian Coalition/Big Business/Endless Tax Cuts crapola... during record deficits, in the middle of a war, and with Bush never seeing a tax cut he didn't like, or a spending bill he thought worthy of vetoing, with Federal spending increasing 40%. And man, are they sick and tired of seeing the mishandling of Iraq, and the endless spin machine that changes the reasons for being there seemingly from week to week. Empty rhetoric. That's what 60+% of Americans see coming from the Republican Party, and they're ready to try something new.



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Then what are the Democrats waiting for?

 

I'm not waiting!



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i've been waiting for 6 years man.

 

A friend of mine was telling Mexico has a NO AMNESTY, No Naturalization, almost a Zero Tolerance for illegal immigration from those south of it

Is that true? does anyone know?

Rocket River

 

as far as i know it is true. they have a huge problem with south and central americans illegally comming to mexico either to work or as a gateway to the u.s. they even have mexican army stationed at the southern border to curb illegal immigration - but if the u.s. did that (i think we should be sending our national guard to the our borders to "guard our nation" rather than sending them to iraq like regular army) mexico would be up in arms.

[rant]there are actually over 200 documented cases of men dressed in mexican army fatigues crossing into our border and assisting drug smugglers or guiding illegals. they carry assault weapons into our country and have shot at border patrol, police, ranchers, ect. this is an act of war, pure and simple. whether they are actual army working for the drug gangs or gang members wearing military outfits, who knows, but mexico is either unwilling/unable to stop it - [/end of rant]

i find it extremely hypocritical on mexico's part.

 

Not an expert on Mexican immigration law. I'm pretty sure there is no "amnesty". However, a Mexican can get legal status for his wife if she entered illegally from the US or say El Salvador.

As far as zero tolerance, I am sure the Mexican government has never made it a felony for Mexican church members to feed illegals from Guatemala,like our GOP House members tried to ram though without a debate.

 

yes, not very christian is it? there are really only two points that i disagree with in regards to their plan and the big one is making it a felony for religious groups to assist/feed illegals. this is what churchs do - they help people in need. whether or not they got here legally, they are still god's children and the christian thing to do is help them. im not saying church's should help them get across or hide them from the cops, but to say a christian church can not even give a hungry person some food just seems a little UNchrisitian. wwjd?

this also opens up a whole new can of worms - will it be illegal to give communion to an illegal? will the priest have to check everyone's status before giving the holy sacrament?

the only other problem i have is issue over making illegal entry a felony they will go to prison for. i dont think sending them back so they can only enter the next day is right, but to throw these people into our brutal prison system can't be the right answer.

 

Stop waiting, and start working! Seriously. Get involved. Don't be a spectator. Contact your local Democratic Party headquarters and ask what you can do. Volunteer.

We're winning in '06, dude!



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why not
we throw our own kids in there?
We throw people in there who are americans . . why not illegals

Rocket River

 

of course, if they commit a crime in our country than they should be subject to the same laws and punishments, but i find it extremely extreme to suggest that people caught in the u.s. illegally should be sent to prison for a year. again, i realize that they get sent back to mexico only to return the next day but i dont think prison is an appropriate punishment for people trying to get here to earn some money.

 

sneaking into someone's house to earn money BAD
but
sneaking into the country to earn money . . . not bad


Rocket River

 

yes. there is a difference.

 

sneaking into someone's house to ROB AND STEAL (is that "earning money" to you?) - bad

vs.

sneaking into the country to work and earn money to feed their families - illegal, but not bad enough to go to prison for a year. the punishment doesnt fit the crime.

pitty that you cant see the difference. have you ever been robbed before? when i was robbed at gunpoint in my own house i never thought of those criminals as "earning" anything and i would never want to see an illegal immigrant go to the same place that they deserve to go to (prison).

jo mama