More Than 500,000 Rally in L.A. for Immigrants' Rights

Who are you talking about? The legal immigrants? Or the illegal? First, neither is treated the same as American citizens, nor is anyone suggesting that they be. Second, I could go post a picture of an American citizen burning a US flag. Yet, we treat him the same.

 

Right.

But these people are showing that they aren't loyal to the US but loyal to Mexico. I don't think people who aren't willing to put America first should become citizens. I wouldn't become a citizen of another country if I didn't want to put that country first.

 

Many are likely not citizens (some certainly are), and no one is suggesting they become citizens.

 

Critical wounds and infectious diseases are completely different. If someone comes in and is in IMMEDIATE DANGER, the ER cannot turn them away. On the other hand, if someone has a disease (and is not in immediate danger) but cannot pay for it, doctors, ER's, etc. can and WILL turn them away.

Money gets you medical care, nothing else. This is true for citizens and illegals alike. Way to go US government and take care of your own! God forbid that everyone has the right to the medical treatment that EVERYONE deserves.

Example: My son has asthma. If I didn't have insurance or money, I could not get him any preventative treatments (i.e. Singular, prescription inhalers, etc.) but if he has an asthma attack, then the ER has to treat him and send me a bill that I cannot pay.

Thank you for that insightful response. Like I said, I know very little about economics but say you are an employer. You can pay a group of illegals that will take $3 an hour or a group of legal residents that you would have to pay minimum wage for twice that, who are you going to use? How does that not effect the legal residents of our country? How does that not in turn hurt minimum wage? Has minumum wage increased with inflation? I do not know the numbers so I cannot tell you. It doesn't seem like it though and appears to me like a good question. I honestly do not know how any person can survive on minimum wage.

 

See, this schit pisses me off. These people are trying soooo hard to flee their messed up homeland to come to this country, and this is their response? I like these people more when they know their role and don't act the fool like this. If you're going to come here and work illegally (which I'm actually fine with, as previously stated...), don't disrespect the country you're so willing to leave your "wonderful" homeland for. Do your job, keep your mouth shut, and don't make a mess. They've largely done a good job with this up until this crap the past few days.

 

I'm of Mexican decent and not ashamed of it like you and Uncle Ruckus, I know lots of Mexicans that are here working illegally and none of them work for minimum wage much less anything less than that. Anyone who says they are willing to work for three dollars an hour doesn't know what he's talking about, they demand a very competitive salary, especially the ones I know who work in construction for instance.

 

Perhaps so. I readily admit that I do not know much about the economic side of it. I do not understand where the balance should exist for employment, wages, taxes, and consumer costs.

If we need this labor so bad then change the rules for having illegals here so that it is not illegal and so that we can keep track of and tax them more appropriately. Also, do not make it so difficult for people that are doing the right thing to be here.

Until I started dating my girlfriend, I never understood what a debacle it is to deal with INS and to maintain a visa here. She does everything right and she truly loves our country. She wants to be here and is an asset to our community yet they treat her with little respect even when the problems that she deals with is a screw up within the bureaucracy of our government. The US needs more people like her.

I apologize for earlier statements if that is the case. Do they pay all appropriate taxes?

 

I'm not ashamed to be of Mexican descent. However, I'm an American citizen and my loyalties don't lie with Mexico, they lie with America. The problem with most of the illegal immigrants is a lot of the money they make goes back home to Mexico. Not only are they not paying taxes and using our services, they are not putting a lot of the money back into the economy.

 

That's exactly what some are suggesting. You can't factually say "no one" is suggesting it. Why do you think they're marching? They want to become citizens (or so they say).

 

This has nothing to do with illegalness or immigration. This is simply the case for foreign residents in all countries around the world. There are many Americans all over the world that don't pay taxes in the countries they live in and send much of their money back to the US, keep it in US accounts, etc. And they are ultimately loyal to the US.

You could very well change the wording of your statement to: The problem with most of foreign residesnts is a lot of the money they make goes back home to their country.

But I presume you don't have a problem with foreigners living here. So the real issue is not the above - there must be something else that makes you angry about the illegal immigrants.

 

I can understand that
but
Doctors are also suppose to report them

If i shoot up a liquor store and get shout
and Dr Mudd helps me
If he does not report me . . he is in trouble too

unless i'm mistaken

Rocket River

 

to be fair you are totally putting meaning into his post that is not there.

 

Ummm, they are marching to protest the new House bill that would do all sorts of thing such as make it illegal for a Church to provide shelter. A major California organization of churches has already said they will ask their individual churches to violate the law if it were to pass.

I'm sure there are people here and there that want to make all illegal immigrants into citizens, but that's neither what's being discussed here or in Congress, or in the protests.

 

This is not true. You are making conclusions made on this? Who likes to pay taxes, I sure as hell don't but I don know I have to contribute to make this country go. Most of these people would like to become citizens simply to have a peace of mind, hopefully work toward better jobs, and be able to visit family back home. Illegal immagrants cannot risk visiting back home and many don't see family members ever again.

 

No - I'm just asking him to think through his logic. If his problem really is with the fact that they are loyal to their home country, don't pay taxes, and send money away, he would also have a problem with foreign residents of countries. But I really don't think he does. So there has to be something else that distinguishes the two groups. It may simply be that one is illegal and the other is not - but then his anger towards illegals is from the fact that they are violating the law, not that they aren't paying taxes, sending money away, etc.

 

One small difference. Foreigners living here pay taxes. You have to take in both parts of what I said. They don't pay taxes AND their money goes back home. It's a double whammy.

 

That's true in some cases, but they still have to maintain themselves here, still have to buy food, medicine, clothes, gas, rent, all that stuff is taxed even if they're pay isn't. What else should they do with the money instead of sending it back to their families in Mexico or whatever Latin American country they come from?

All you guys getting mad at the upside down flag, give me a break, there are plenty of Americans that hate this government too, and why should you expect them to love the same government that is basically saying we hate you now? What you guys should learn to seperate is the fact that they hate the governemnt, specifically these new laws, not the country, if they hated the country they wouldn't be here, they just hate the government that is trying to take away one of their only real opportunities in life.

 

One thing to think about here - taxpayers are going to end up subsidizing that bill you can't pay (and insurance premiums will rise). If the doctors had just provided the inhaler and avoided the asthma attack, the net cost for Americans would be far less. That's one of the reasons doctors and hospitals want the ability to treat these people when they can do it preventatively. If they have to wait until its an emergency, ultimately the cost will be more to the US taxpayers.

 

so you are saying that a bunch of countries have Americans in there illegally?

Legel Residents are not part of the argument
only the Illegal ones

Rocket RIver

 

Major, with all due respect, the vast majority of Americans living abroad are doing so legally. And they pay taxes in the countries they live in. Certainly, in Europe, they are paying a VAT almost every time they buy something.

I also wanted to point out that there are people all over the world waiting, often for years, for the chance to legally immigrate to America. What about them? If you aren't a political refugee, AKA Cuba/Vietnam etc., or can cross the border illegally, I guess you're **** out of luck?

Carry on.



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