1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

More Rumors

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by htownbball, Jul 28, 2007.

  1. BigSherv

    BigSherv Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2002
    Messages:
    4,494
    Likes Received:
    67
    Where is berman when we need him!
     
  2. rocketfat

    rocketfat Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 1999
    Messages:
    1,742
    Likes Received:
    1
    apparently it's ensberg and cash for a p2bnl, according to a poster on astros board.
     
  3. Austin70

    Austin70 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2002
    Messages:
    3,531
    Likes Received:
    13
    We got cash and a player to be named later. From my MLB phone alert.
     
  4. BigSherv

    BigSherv Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2002
    Messages:
    4,494
    Likes Received:
    67
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

    Player to be named later and we have to pay for part of his salary!
     
  5. rocketlaunch

    rocketlaunch Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    1,622
    Likes Received:
    356
    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5015186.html


    July 31, 2007, 2:41PM
    Ensberg sent to San Diego for player to be named


    The Houston Astros announced today that the club has sent infielder Morgan Ensberg and cash considerations to the San Diego Padres in exchange for a player to be named later or cash considerations.

    Ensberg, 31, hit .232 (52x224) with eight home runs and 31 RBI in 85 games for the Astros in 2007. In 673 career games over seven seasons with Houston (2000, 2002-07), he has hit .266 (551x2072) with 105 home runs and 335 RBI.

    Ensberg’s 105 career home runs rank second all-time among Astros third basemen, and in 2005, he finished fourth in the NL Most Valuable Player voting after hitting .283 (149x526) with 36 home runs and 101 RBI. Ensberg made his first NL All-Star appearance in 2005 while also receiving The Sporting News NL Silver Slugger Award at third base. Selected by the Astros in the ninth round of the June 1998 draft, Ensberg appeared in 26 postseason games for the club from 2004-05 and hit two home runs in the postseason, including one in Game 2 of the 2005 World Series.
     
  6. rocketlaunch

    rocketlaunch Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    1,622
    Likes Received:
    356
    Olney Just reported the astros are trying to move Loretta. Main suitor is the Mariners. Nothing more then what was said in the Chronicle
     
  7. benchmoochie

    benchmoochie Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2003
    Messages:
    5,644
    Likes Received:
    132
    and that player is - Brad Ausmus, who will leave the Astros this year and sign with the Padres to finish his career but be shipped back to the Astros. :D

    Wouldnt that be hilarious? :mad:
     
  8. rocketlaunch

    rocketlaunch Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    1,622
    Likes Received:
    356
    Drayton is probably ecstatic he does not have to pay the full 4 + million owed to Ensberg.
     
  9. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    48,984
    Likes Received:
    1,445
    Yeah, silly him.
     
  10. jerinrulz

    jerinrulz Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2000
    Messages:
    682
    Likes Received:
    10
    Morgans Salary: $4,350,000
    Prorated Amt Left (Est.): $1,530,555.56

    League Minimum: $380,000
    Prorated Amt Left (Est.): $133703.70

    So rather than Drayton paying $1.4 million and the Pads paying roughly $0.13 million, the Astros get a prospect- perhaps nachos or a few rodeo burgers from burger king for heavy p - and drayton ends up saving a few hundred thousand dollars. Seems like chump change when you look at the money being thrown around, but its still a LOT of money and uncle drayton figured why not.

    Astros: Save a little cash - not the whole 1.5 mil, and pick up a prospect
    Padres: Pick up a 3B and dont have to get into bidding for his services after he clears waivers

    Good Deal for both sides, good luck Morgan.
     
  11. Hey Now!

    Hey Now! Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2000
    Messages:
    14,527
    Likes Received:
    5,528
    you don't trade away top prospects who initially struggle in their first year in the majors.

    so we can land luis castillo? or was kenny lofton more your speed? there was one player dealt this year that would qualify as "better than average" and that was mark texieria. that's it. everyone else dealt held little value.
     
  12. wrath_of_khan

    wrath_of_khan Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2000
    Messages:
    2,155
    Likes Received:
    7
    Would you have traded Loretta for a class A player?

    Because it looks like that's all we were gonna get:

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/325793_mtrade01.html

    The Mariners had a few potential scenarios in play but only came close on one, which Bavasi described as coming down to the final three minutes before the 1 p.m. PDT deadline before the other team decided to stand pat.

    Sources later revealed that the deal would have brought former All-Star second baseman Mark Loretta from Houston in exchange for a Class A pitcher and a player to be named later. Loretta, who is batting .294 this season while playing every infield position for the Astros, would have been a right-handed bat off the bench.


    Personally, I'd rather have the draft pick.
     
  13. MadMax

    MadMax Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 1999
    Messages:
    76,683
    Likes Received:
    25,924
    absolutely. you don't make that deal.
     
  14. No Worries

    No Worries Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    32,852
    Likes Received:
    20,640
    Thus, Fats was not an idiot for not making that deal. Or maybe he was an idiot for not getting a AA or AAA player instead of a A player added into the deal.
     
  15. DOMINATOR

    DOMINATOR Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2007
    Messages:
    2,458
    Likes Received:
    256
    i would too but dont they have to offer arbitration? just dont see drayton saying ok to that since he didn't do it for clemens/pettitte.
    hope they do though
     
  16. DoitDickau

    DoitDickau Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2002
    Messages:
    1,706
    Likes Received:
    66

    Doesn't it depend on who the prospect is? Just because the prospect is in A ball doesn't mean he isn't worthwhile or valuable. Some of the best prospects in baseball haven't graduated from A ball, so i don't think you can make a decision based soley on what level the player is at. Esp, since the player being traded away isn't or shouldn't be in the long-term plans of the franchise and more than likely won't be on the next astros team to legitimately compete for a pennant.
     
  17. No Worries

    No Worries Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    32,852
    Likes Received:
    20,640
    and may
    • may never get out of high A ball
    • may never get out of AA ball
    • may never get out of AAA ball
    • may never be more than a role player in The Bigs
    • may never be more than an average player in The Bigs
    • etc.
     
  18. DoitDickau

    DoitDickau Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2002
    Messages:
    1,706
    Likes Received:
    66
    Pujols might get hit by a bus tomorrow and never play again. would you still trade for him? You obviously take that into consideration but that's why you do your research and scout players. Thats the one of the reasons you have a scouting and development program. To say that you would never trade for a A player because there is risk is silly.
     
  19. DoitDickau

    DoitDickau Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2002
    Messages:
    1,706
    Likes Received:
    66

    It's also crazy to think that there is less risk involved in a draft picks, who is younger, hasn't hit with wood bats and is likely at more risk for arm injuries. At least with A players you have a better track record.
     
  20. No Worries

    No Worries Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    32,852
    Likes Received:
    20,640
    It would be interesting to see what % of first round draft picks go on to be MLB starters and what % of low A/high A/AA/AAA top prospects go on to be MLB starters.

    I think the obvious best bet would a AAA top prospect, but that would also include the likes of Jason Lane.
     

Share This Page