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More Money for the War and No More for the Poor

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Feb 7, 2006.

  1. mc mark

    mc mark Member

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    texxx I would love to hear you take on the first article I posted. In particular, I'd be interested in your take on this little nugget.

    Now why would the administration try and hide this little bit of information by taking it out of the budget?
     
  2. mc mark

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    Even the President's own party is slamming this budget...

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    Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania, called Bush's proposed cuts in education and health "scandalous" while Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, said she was "disappointed and even surprised" at the extent of the administration's proposed cuts in Medicaid and Medicare.

    Snowe pushed the administration on Tuesday to explain why it was putting so much emphasis on getting a permanent extension of reductions in taxes on capital gains and dividends when, she said, the more immediate problem was keeping the alternative minimum tax from pushing up the taxes of more of the middle class.

    She said the administration's emphasis on extending its first term tax cuts rather than dealing with the AMT was "putting the cart before the horse."

    Bush's spending blueprint for the 2007 budget year that begins Oct. 1 would provide large increases for the military and homeland security but would trim spending in the one-sixth of the budget that covers the rest of discretionary spending. Nine Cabinet agencies would see outright reductions with the biggest percentage cuts occurring in the departments of Transportation, Justice and Agriculture.

    And in mandatory programs -- so-called because the government must provide benefits to all who qualify -- the president is seeking over the next five years savings of $36 billion in Medicare, $5 billion in farm subsidy programs, $4.9 billion in Medicaid support for poor children's health care and $16.7 billion in additional payments from companies to shore up the government's besieged pension benefit agency.

    Senate Finance Committee Chairman Charles Grassley noted that Congress has just completed a yearlong battle to achieve far smaller savings in Medicaid and Medicare and "any more reductions of a significant scope could be difficult this year."

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/07/budget.ap/index.html
     
  3. RocketMan Tex

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    The George W. Bush economy, in a nutshell:

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    Any questions?

    :mad:
     
  4. tinman

    tinman 999999999
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    my question is why are such a big bush supporter? why are you for the iraq war?
    why are you for the religious conservatives? why dude?/

    ROCKET MAN TEX=BIGGEST REPUBLICAN SUPPORTER.
     
  5. RocketMan Tex

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    Isn't it time for home room in Junior High School? It's almost 8:00 AM! Time for the first bell! :D
     
  6. tinman

    tinman 999999999
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    rocket,
    you can't show up to class wearing that Barney costume! come on man.
     
  7. RocketMan Tex

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    Duuuuuuuuude...Barney rocks! Don't mess with Barney!

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    :D
     
  8. tinman

    tinman 999999999
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    nice one, i meant the purple dinosaur!
     
  9. RocketMan Tex

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    Ewwwww...I hate that m*therfooooooker. But...Barney Rubble? HE RAWKS DUUUUUDE! :D
     
  10. tinman

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    ok rocket, this was fun, i've got to eat some breakfast and take the Maybach to work.
    [​IMG]
     
  11. GladiatoRowdy

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    Apparently, so do you...

    Tax Receipts Exceed Treasury Predictions
    Early Surge Lowers Deficit Projections

    By Jonathan Weisman
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Thursday, May 5, 2005; Page E01

    After three years of rising federal budget deficits, a surge of April tax receipts brought unexpected good news to fiscal policymakers -- the tide of government red ink appears to be receding.

    The Treasury Department this week reported there would be a $54 billion swing from projected deficit to surplus in the April-to-June quarter, after an unanticipated gush of tax payments poured into the Treasury before the April 15 deadline. That prompted private forecasters to lower their deficit projections for the fiscal year that ends in September.

    Budget analysts inside and outside the government said the positive turn is likely to be short-lived. Indeed, after a four-year absence, the Treasury Department announced yesterday it is considering reissuing its 30-year Treasury bond to help finance long-term government debt, jolting the bond markets and pushing down the price of existing 30-year securities.

    But in the short term, many forecasters said the budget deficit appears to have crested.

    "I think it has turned the corner," said David Wyss, chief economist at Standard & Poor's, the credit rating agency. "My guess is 2004 will have been the worst year."

    For that fiscal year, the government recorded a $412 billion deficit, the largest ever in nominal dollar terms, although not as large as some of the deficits of the 1980s when measured against the size of the economy. The 2004 mark was up from 2003's $378 billion deficit, which topped 2002's $158 billion deficit.

    In January, Bush administration officials projected that the streak would continue, with a deficit of $427 billion for the fiscal year that ends Sept. 30. But that estimate was widely regarded as inflated and many forecasters believed the total would be more like $400 billion.

    April, however, turned out to be a far better month than anticipated. Taxpayers were confronted with unexpected tax bills, many from capital gains and the alternative minimum tax, a parallel income tax system designed to hit the rich but that is increasingly pinching the middle class. The Treasury announced this week that it will repay $42 billion in federal debt in the third April-to-June quarter, instead of borrowing $12 billion.

    Wall Street analysts reduced their deficit forecasts this week, from around $400 billion to around $370 billion. In nominal dollar terms, that would still be the third-highest deficit on record. Even measured against the size of the economy, "it's still a high number," said Brian Bethune, director of financial economics at Global Insight Inc., a Massachusetts forecasting firm. "It needs to come down."

    One factor should help in the short term: Seven months into the fiscal year, Congress is only now passing the $82 billion emergency war spending bill for fiscal 2005, which means that much of the money will be spent in 2006. That should reduce the 2005 deficit while bringing down war costs next year. Wyss said the deficit should continue to fall in 2006 and 2007.

    "A month ago, I would have told you the budget numbers were on track for $400 billion. To get an adjustment this quickly would suggest a huge surprise," said Edward F. McKelvey, an economist and federal budget analyst at Goldman Sachs & Co.

    Few economists say the U.S. government is out of the woods. One of the reasons for the turnaround, the alternative minimum tax, should be reduced or eliminated before it starts impinging on economic growth, Bethune said.

    Also, by next year, costs from the new prescription drug benefit should start rolling in. By the end of the decade, pressure from the retiring baby boom generation will start pushing Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security costs up significantly.

    Treasury officials have long resisted reissuing 30-year bonds, in part, because "nobody wanted to admit the deficits were permanent," said Wyss, the Standard & Poor's economist.


    Treasury officials disputed that notion during a meeting with reporters yesterday.

    "The deficit has nothing to do with it," said Timothy S. Bitsberger, assistant Treasury secretary for financial markets. "In fact, we think the deficits are coming down."

    Wall Street wasn't buying it. "If you weren't borrowing this much, you wouldn't be doing it," Wyss said. "No question."

    After four years of rising budget surpluses, the Treasury announced in October 2001 that it would no longer issue the 30-year bond. The decision was intended to lower the cost of government borrowing, since bonds that mature in more than 10 years, known as long bonds, typically offer higher interest rates to attract buyers willing to accept the added risk of such long maturation periods.

    With a 2001 forecast of surpluses totaling $5.6 trillion over 10 years, Treasury officials figured they could focus on reducing debt, not adding to it. And eliminating the 30-year bond would push buyers to the 10-year Treasury bond. Since 30-year mortgages are closely tied to the 10-year bond, the added demand for that bond would drive down mortgage rates and help the economy.

    But forecasted surpluses turned into huge, forecasted deficits. Since President Bush entered office, the total federal debt -- including debt to the public and debt owed the Social Security system -- has risen from $5.7 trillion to $7.8 trillion. Long-term interest rates should begin rising in the near term, so the government should lock in interest rates on 30-year bonds soon, Wyss said, before the cost of federal borrowing begins to rise.

    Moreover, aging populations around the world have forced governments -- especially in Europe -- to shore up pension funds by requiring that they invest in long bonds. Washington is considering similar changes for its private pension systems. That has sent demand for long bonds skyrocketing, said Neal M. Soss, chief economist at Credit Suisse First Boston LLC.

    Bush's proposal to convert part of Social Security to individual investment accounts would also add considerable demand for 30-year bonds if it were to pass, Soss said. A decision on whether to issue 30-year bonds will be announced Aug. 3, Bitsberger said.
     
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    How much money will NASA get? I believe that GWB had promised to send American to the Mars in the near future.
     
  13. Mulder

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    This is unpopular in Space City but I think NASA's budget should be SLASHED.
     
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    Everyone knew this was coming, it should be fun seeing how Kansas, Ohio, and other states in middle America vote next time around, they might be voting themselves into bankruptcies; not that I think the Dems will do a much better job at it, it will be difficult for anyone to manage this type of budget anytime in the next decade or more.

    So how are we going to finance another war if one war against a weak Iraq is essentially 'breaking our backs' as far as economics is concerned (not to mention that our military is incredibly stretched according to all top military leaders)?
     
  15. Saint Louis

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    Nukes, lots and lots of nukes.
     
  16. mc mark

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    Sneaky, Silly Bushie...

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    Bush's Social Security Sleight of Hand

    By Allan Sloan
    Wednesday, February 8, 2006; Page D02

    If you read enough numbers, you never know what you'll find. Take President Bush and private Social Security accounts.

    Last year, even though Bush talked endlessly about the supposed joys of private accounts, he never proposed a specific plan to Congress and never put privatization costs in the budget. But this year, with no fanfare whatsoever, Bush stuck a big Social Security privatization plan in the federal budget proposal, which he sent to Congress on Monday.

    His plan would let people set up private accounts starting in 2010 and would divert more than $700 billion of Social Security tax revenues to pay for them over the first seven years.

    If this comes as a surprise to you, have no fear. You're not alone. Bush didn't pitch private Social Security accounts in his State of the Union message last week.

    First, he drew a mocking standing ovation from Democrats by saying that "Congress did not act last year on my proposal to save Social Security," even though, as I said, he'd never submitted specific legislation.

    Then he seemed to be kicking the Social Security problem a few years down the road in typical Washington fashion when he asked Congress "to join me in creating a commission to examine the full impact of baby boom retirements on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid," adding that the commission would be bipartisan "and offer bipartisan solutions."

    But anyone who thought that Bush would wait for bipartisanship to deal with Social Security was wrong. Instead, he stuck his own privatization proposals into his proposed budget.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...07/AR2006020701865.html?referrer=emailarticle
     

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