Were I in that situation, I would have moved to Southern Ireland. I think one difference between Northern Ireland and Israel is the presence of the Holy Land in the Middle East. Where I in the Palestinians' situation, I would turn in my terrorist neighbors to the Israelis so that I could have a real chance for peace. I would also vote that terrorist idiot out of office in the upcoming elections. I would try to convince my fellow Palestinians that terrorism is never okay, that the Israelis would treat us much better without our terror campaign, and that if we weren't a nation of violence and subversion we would have been kicked out of Jordan.
No you wouldn't have you never would have gotten past the checkpoints. Not to mention that you had no legally protected rights to travel or to portest or to own property or anything else...try again. Well they could eat Smores and sing "I'd Like to Buy the World a Coke," but that won't work either. Deal in reality. Yeah...that's reality. Jordan is not where their homes are. Don't you value private property. That would be like turning to the homeless and saying: "You can't live in Houston anymore. But we'll let you move to Dallas." Dammit man, you have to understand that they were booted out of their homes. You can't just expatriate everybody you don't like. Duh!
First of all the Palestinians were never treated that much better by the Israelis with or without terrorism. Also it's been pointed out that many of the unjust policies aren't related to terrorism. I do agree that the palestinians would acheive more by not using terrorism, but it doesn't have to do with policies that were put into effect to stop terrorism. Many of the unjust policies that discriminate are there irrespective of terrorism or not. Also the Palestinians were there for centuries, acception or expulsion has little to do with that. The majority of citizens of Jordan are in fact Palestinian.
I don't know the older history of the Palestinian resistance, but all of this terror stuff is relatively new, right (ie, the last 10-20 years)? Didn't they try the "peaceful resistance" stuff before that and nothing changed? (I'm not referring to war with Egypt, etc, which was a separate group of people. I'm referring to the Palestinians only)
There was always violence, and terrorism from both sides. Zionist forces were using terrorism(including Moshe Dian, and Ben-Gurion) against the British, in an effort to win statehood for Israel. At the same time they were attacking Arab villages in an effort to expand their territory. The Palestinians were fighting back against the Israelis, and against the British who were allowing the incursions against them. In 1947 the Israeli terrorism against the British worked and teh British handed the problem over to the U.N. The U.N. set up a plan where there would be two states. One would be Israel, and would have 77% of the land, the other would Palestine. The Palestinian state was never realized.
The PLO was founded in 1964 and the proposed Saudi plan of this past spring was for roughly the boundaries prior to the 1967 war. Will Arafat and the Palestinians be <b>permanently</b> satisfied with that deal? <A HREF="http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/07/brooks.htm">A Brief History of Yasir Arafat</A>
I think the better question is whether the Israelis will leave it alone if the plan is accepted. The answer is no...the have a thirst to control all of the land over there and will go over or through anybody they have to. That is a fact, and to ignore it is to stick your head in the sand like an ostrich. Also, I'm not real comfy with anything backed by the Saudis. They are the terrorists that attacked us. They are not to be trusted. They are NOT our friends.
I know you're not gonna argue with me anymore (because you don't have fact to back up your points). But frankly this post proves your ignorance of what has gone on over there since 1948. Study it as intensely as I have then tell me what you think from an informed perspective, rather than just telling me how I make you sick. I love how people come on this BBS with no real knowledge they can't pick up from a 20 second soundbyte on the news and tell others how wrong and stupid they are. Beautiful.
Franchise2001, There are Israelis who claim the exact thing that Refman is talking about. You might disagree with how prevelent the attitude is, but the attitude does exist, and it's documented. Rather than gettings sick, and claiming there's no credibility why not present evidence to the contrary?
