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More French Chicanery - Passports Given To Iraqi's To Escape From Syria To Europe

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ottomaton, May 6, 2003.

  1. Ottomaton

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    1. Go to www.bbc.co.uk

    2. Type "Chirac" in the search column.

    3. Read the stories.

    4. return to the search page and type "France EU"

    4. Read the stories.

    6. Tell me where the love is, or is the BBC a nationalistic hate-rag these days?

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    Again, I accede that in more ways than not French culture is superior to American and British culture. I apologize for insulting you. I imagine that not all of the French people are like those that I know, though I stand by the fact that I dislike every French person I've ever met. My mother, on the other hand, was a Fulbright Scholar who spent quite a bit of time in France and seemes to have a more tempered view of French people in general.

    BUT, I can't see how you can ignore how often French politicians have made it a point to 'stick it' to the British politically as a mater of point. I just don't know what news you read or watch or whatever.
     
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    1) You are refuting my point about the French helping us because they did it for their own reasons? Thing is, I already know that...but in that we were comparing their help of us vs. our help of them ( also for our own reasons), as an argument for the contstant assumption that they should put aside what they feel is right and best for the world and/or France, out of some sort of obligation they owe us for helping them but that we don't owe them for helping us, I don't see how your 1st point means anything.

    2) Your second point is an exteremely subjective ( surprisingly pro-US) perspective on a very controversial US decision at the time. The bribe wasn't to ignore it...it was because we breached another agreement ( France?US)in order to sign the GB/US one...but it's easier for us to call it extortion.


    3) Your 3rd point is just so much supposition and subjectivity I won't even address it directly.

    $) And it continues from there....I'm out.
     
  3. Ottomaton

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    Finally, this is not an opinion that I've recently come to. If the search function were working you could go back and one of my first 20 or so posts was about this subject, back in 2000, and again, I apologise any coments that were personal. I'm sure you're a wonderful clean un-odiferous upstanding member of society.
     
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    The point is, given two options that were equally advantagous to French intrests, French politicians have historically gone out of the way to choose the option that would screw the English, even choosing that option when it might have been advantagous to not do so. So unless your saying that French intrests inherently equivilant to screwing England, then I think there is a significant point there.
     
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    Here is the text of the 1789 Treaty with France.

    and

    Here is the text of Jay's Treaty

    If you would like to locate where the letter of the latter is clearly violating the letter of the former, please be my guest. The French felt it violated the spirit of the agreement, but as Les & Co are finding out regarding minorities and the Stadium, if it's not expressly written in the agreement, the 'spirit' of said agreement may be different to different people.

    Also, I'm not sure why the payments were justified and not a bribe. The conditions for appeasement were a large loan by the US to France, a public apology for anti-French statements made by John Adams, and the sum of $250,000 payable personally to the foreign minister of France, Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord (specifically for his own personal trouble, not in any way for the country of France). IMHO, that qualifies pretty squarely as a bribe in any country.
     

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