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More comments by Van Gundy on the officiating

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by meh, Mar 31, 2004.

  1. rhadamanthus

    rhadamanthus Member

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    OK, then have a demonstration....

    After Yao gets mauled getting into position (the two-hands to the back is my favorite :mad: ) have him to the same on the other end. When Yao gets the defensive foul have him turn and say, he did the same to me, watch for it next time.

    He has to do something! Respecting the refs is all well and good, but they're CHEATING, and possible winning becuase of it! Teams get away with calls all the time but they rarely effect the entire game like they do all the time with Yao!
     
  2. hotballa

    hotballa Contributing Member

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    its a good ploy. If you compain too early in the season, the refs get tired of you because they see it as ofr no good reason. And you dont wanna do it during the playoffs cuz then the refs will just think you're trying to make excuses. Doing at this point with a few more games to go till the playoffs gets the refs to think a little bit evertime they ref Rox games. Hopefully it will carryover into the playoffs, great timing in my opinion
     
  3. JuanValdez

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    I don't know about the timing. With a game against the Lakers tonight it looks like a very obvious ploy to get more calls in tonight's game. I don't think it'll work in that regard. The refs will resent the attempt at manipulation (especially in such an unsophisticated way) and swallow their whistles. It might have some influence on the playoffs; I'm not sure. I think it'd been better to speak up a day before a game against the Clippers; that way the refs won't feel like they're being manipulated.
     
  4. ChenZhen

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    I know you still want to bring back Rudy. It just sucks when you can't say I told you so since JVG is doing such an good job huh?
     
  5. Rocket River

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    I'm still not sold he is doing a better job than rudy would have done

    but i do like that he finally speak up for our players

    Rocket River
     
  6. HillBoy

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    Gasol: "Look all you want. We beat your a** 3-1 this year."
     
  7. ChenZhen

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    You've got to admit one of the big problems of the last few years is that we just don't hustle and give it our all. That problem has been correct when JVG took over. Our intensity especially on defense is fantastic now. Another problem is the past is the lack of ball movement and team play. That major problem is really getting so much better, especially if u campared to last year. Those are the two biggest issues I had with Rudy as a coach.

    Maybe Rudy can match JVG's record this year in the short term. BUT in the longterm, JVG has shown our guys how to play ball the right way, by sharing the ball, and giving it our all. In the longterm, the style of play will help our team tremendously...you just wait and see.

    We are still plagued by turnovers, but coaches don't turn the ball over, players do. Since we have the core nucleus is still there, they are the source of that problem.
     
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  8. Rocket River

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    Intensity on defense
    but the intensity on offense IMO was there
    we just did not have the horses

    As for ball movement
    I did not see it as a problem . because it was not our system
    Even the hakeem days
    Dump it in . . .and then 1 maybe 2 passes
    Rudy's system was NEVER ball movement IMO
    ball movement is for princeton/NCAA/basketball junkies
    it is not necessary for winning

    Rocket River
     
  9. ChenZhen

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    So would you agree that our intensity won't be nearly as much if Rudy was coaching right now? (defense or offense) Would you agree that our intensity in general was really lacking when Rudy was the coach? So that's a big positive that JVG has over Rudy, right?

    Wrong, wrong, wrong!

    When Hakeem was playing, we were an awesome passing team! We share the ball so much more than you think! We were a very good and underrated passing team...just watch again and compare. His ISO system was great for our quick guards after Hakeem retired, but when the NBA change the rules to allow zone and let the teams do the old illegal defense, Rudy and the players couldn't adjust very well. That was the demise of Rudy. He tried to incorporate more ball movement at the beginning of last year but he couldn't get our guys to pass mostly because of the old ISO system. Passing was the achille's heel for us after they change the rules that requires more passing. If you don't pass well against the defense now, you are not going anywhere in this league.

    Ball movement is not neccessary for winning? You've got to be kidding me! It is a <b>NECESSITY</b> with the rules nowadays.
     
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  10. Rocket River

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    i won't conceed that. . . . I thought we played well last season
    I don't feel the lack of intensity . . IMO it was just on the other end
    This year. . the defense has been tight but I see
    some lazy passes on offense and some shots are not followed through
    not to mention NEVER followed period.
    Shot and run to the other end .. . that is JVG's offense
    I won;t say it is a lack of intensity

    Last year
    Rudy ran a different system . . . I think it more system than INTENSITY


    Look at the games against Seattle before Barkley
    tell me how the ball movement worked
    Why?
    Cause Seattle worked a zone.

    Rockets got assist by passing to a 3 pt shooter
    Check to see how many came of 3s

    1st . . .define what you mean by passing team
    Cause from what I saw.
    The ball went to Hakeem .. he kicked it to a teammate
    who either shot it . .. or swung it to the next man that shot it.

    Please give me a vision of what you saw

    Rocket River
     
  11. Willis25

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    www.monster.com

    you work for a moron
     
  12. Willis25

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    I think that it has more to do with SF3 and Cat finally shutting up about their own fouls not being called and giving JVG a chance to do his job and stand up for his players !
     
  13. ChenZhen

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    You've got to be kidding me. We hardly ever hustle last year man. That was my biggest gripe against our team. Watch some games again and compare. I guess we've got to agree to disagree then, even though you're so wrong. :)

    The Hakeem Rockets' passes were more crisp, with less dribbles and far more passing than last year's team. Their passing on the break was great and the pick and rolls worked almost every single time with OT, Mad Max, and/or Kenny. And if there are open guys, somehow it will be end up being in his hands for the open shot it seems. But that's really irrelavant from what we are talking about here.

    The bottom line regarding the passing:
    Because of the zone, all teams need good passing to win consistently in this league. Period. Agree?

    Our willingness to share is so much more than last year. You cannot beat anyone by dribbling the ball out anymore. Rudy realized this but he's molded our team to an dribbling iso one already so that mindset is extremely hard to get rid of after they allowed the zone. It's Rudy's inablity to change the system to incorporate more ball movement and participation from everyone on the court is what caused him his job. At the beginning of last year, there were talks about more ball movement, about Rudy drawing all kinds of ball movement plays. But because of personel or bad habits or bad coaching, we would always managed to revert back to our dribble happy ways. Again, by being dribble happy and playing selfish ball, you cannot win in this league.

    Our willingness to pass the ball has increased considerably throughout the course of this year. That's what I was waiting for all of last year but there were absolutely no progress made.
     
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    and record another free-throw-less game for Yao.......

    JVG, It's time to seriously call them out

    wakkoman
     
  15. nyquil82

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    we can notch that up to 7 games now. guess, calling the officials out with logic will hurt us, and so will calling them out with profanities.
     
  16. AMS

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    IMO, we didnt hustle this much on D, but on Offense and during just the run up and down the court, it was the same output.
     
  17. ChenZhen

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    Defense, offense, who cares...I'm talking about in general even though it's mostly on defense.

    My counterpoint to him is: It's not JVG's system that's making the guys hustle on D, it's JVG's pushing them to play D as hard as they can was the reason why the intensity was a lot better.
     
  18. verse

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    i don't know if you guys heard, but yao has had SEVENTEEN games in his career where he did not go to the line.
     
  19. GRAYsquirrel

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    ZERO FT attempts in the Lakers game is OUTRAGEOUS!!! So, the refs are telling us that Yao didn't even get fouled ONE lousy time!?!?!?

    I hate NBA refs....hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em all work and no play makes johnny a very dull boy all work and no play makes johnny a very dull boy all work and no play makes johnny a very dull boy all work and no play makes johnny a very dull boy all work and no play makes johnny a very dull boy all work and no play makes johnny a very dull boy all work and no play makes johnny a very dull boy all work and no play makes johnny a very dull boy hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em
     
  20. daoshi

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    Too bad no one in the NBA wants to hire you as their coach. I guess all those GMs are overated too!:D
     

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